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« on: November 18, 2012, 10:46:41 PM »

For better or worse, moderates from both sides of the aisle are all but extinct now.

For worse, of course. When you see a bunch of right-wing idiots haggling with similar bunch of left-wing ones  (in Congress or elsewhere) - it's a disgusting sight....

This idea that somehow democrats are just as extremist and partisan than republicans is one of the most blatantly false talking points spewed by the MSM. The choice in America today is basically between centrist Democrats and far-right Republicans.

False. Between left-wing Democrats and right-wing Republicans. Almost equally "radical". Center is basically ignored by both parties (especially - "activists-purists"). Yes - slightly more by Rerpublicans, but only slightly..

Sure... Roll Eyes

Obviously not by the standards of France (or any other Euro country), but this is basically how it's viewed in the US, which is why the Democrats won in 2012. When Democrats were viewed as being slightly more radical (like in say 2004), Republicans won. It can important thing to keep in mind.
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E: 8.13, S: -6.09

« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2012, 06:55:24 AM »

For better or worse, moderates from both sides of the aisle are all but extinct now.

For worse, of course. When you see a bunch of right-wing idiots haggling with similar bunch of left-wing ones  (in Congress or elsewhere) - it's a disgusting sight....

This idea that somehow democrats are just as extremist and partisan than republicans is one of the most blatantly false talking points spewed by the MSM. The choice in America today is basically between centrist Democrats and far-right Republicans.

False. Between left-wing Democrats and right-wing Republicans. Almost equally "radical". Center is basically ignored by both parties (especially - "activists-purists"). Yes - slightly more by Rerpublicans, but only slightly..

Sure... Roll Eyes

Obviously not by the standards of France (or any other Euro country), but this is basically how it's viewed in the US, which is why the Democrats won in 2012. When Democrats were viewed as being slightly more radical (like in say 2004), Republicans won. It can important thing to keep in mind.

Democrats are BY FAR closer to the US political center than Republicans. Just look at opinion polls on issues like deficit reduction, social programs, gay rights... or even health care: public option was more popular than Obamacare, remember.

Moderate heroes and republicans might not like this, but it's a fact.

I'm discussing perception, not reality. Note the phrasing I have bolded.
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E: 8.13, S: -6.09

« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 08:02:13 PM »

I will not dispute that. but everyone is based on his experience, isn't he? So, i, for example, is absolutely not surprised, that "Russian Jews" in US vote the way more similar to older Cubans, then any other groups. Religion plays it's part (especially - among Orthodox Jews, who are almost always more conservative then other), but common strong anti-communism and anti-socialism is based in common past)))

Frankly, I find that to be a cartoon "anti-communism/anti-socialism". 

Whether you find it cartoonish or not, that's actually how we vote, buddy.
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