Clinton VP news LATEST: Podesta now calling the losers to tell them its not them

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Clinton camp has asked Elizabeth Warren to deliver the prime-time address of the DNC on Monday (first day)

Probably as clear of a sign as ever that she won't be nominated as VP.

This isn't the keynote address right?

Also, Trump himself is apparently at Pence's house now as well.

2012
Tuesday: Julián Castro (Keynote) and Michelle Obama
Wednesday: Elizabeth Warren and Bill Clinton
Thursday:Joe Biden and Barack Obama

2008
Monday: Michelle Obama
Tuesday: Hillary Clinton and Mark Warner (Keynote)
Wednesday: Joe Biden and Bill Clinton
Thursday: Al Gore and Barack Obama

So I guess it's possible that Warren could be the keynote

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This issue seems to be a bit too close to Clinton's problems.

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Castro would be an utter disastro.

Says the guy advocating for Booker...

Provide one legitimate non-identity politics reason why Booker is less qualified than Castro.

I don't support either being picked.

Booker is actually what the Sandernistas think Clinton is, and Castro is the ultimate empty suit.

Booker did vote against TPA, which you wouldn't expect from someone controlled by Wall Street. Yet the word that I've heard is that he and Clinton don't gel the best together.

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A good dark horse VP choice would be former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson. He's Hispanic, but more qualified than Castro, Perez, and Becerra. He has good foreign policy experience and he governed a state. Plus, the Clintons should put the 2008 endorsement of Obama behind them.

isn't he, like, corrupt as heck, though?

Yeah, there are some issues there.

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Any idea when we will know who the pick is? I imagine it'll be sometime this next coming week since the Democratic convention starts on the 25th

I would expect it to be on July 22nd, the day after the end of the RNC.

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Seeing Trump and Warren's recent Twitter back and forth, I think Warren is the best pick. In the most recent CNN poll, young voters are choosing Johnson and and Stein at high levels, much more than olds, so having her on the ticket will create a lot of enthusiasm and support for the ticket among youngs. But Trump constantly calling her Pocahontas and a fraud is the best opening for her to bring up his Trump University and real estate frauds, as she did on Twitter, and it only exposes him more. I think the small drop off among center/center-right Hillary voters is worth it because I think most of them can be won back in due time.

Also I feel like picking Warren would allow Team Clinton to positively own a news cycle, something that has been really hard to do.

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I really don't understand why everyone is so down on Vilsack?  It's clear from polling that Clinton is having more trouble with the Midwest swing voter than with the Southeast swing voter and that if she loses VA, she will have already lost the EC elsewhere.  She could use a boost in Iowa and in similar parts of other Midwest states more than she could use a boost in VA, right?  I'd be a lot more concerned about Perez or Warren saying something off-the-wall left wing and hurting her powerful stability argument with college-educated moderates

I don't know about Perez, but every speech I've heard from Warren has had a laser focus. I do agree that Vilsack could be useful in the Midwest, but I think that Warren's message would fit there as well. I think think this situation also shows just how bad the Democratic bench is in the Midwest.

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Clinton has basically used the "surround yourself with ugly friends at a club to make yourself look cute" tactic for Kaine.

It's either (in probable order):

1) What you've stated here.
2) Really setting the media up for a surprise or unexpected pick like Warren, etc.
3) They really are considering Vilsack

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Clinton has basically used the "surround yourself with ugly friends at a club to make yourself look cute" tactic for Kaine.

It's either (in probable order):

1) What you've stated here.
2) Really setting the media up for a surprise or unexpected pick like Warren, etc.
3) They really are considering Vilsack

head fake...these leaks are not typical of the clinton campaign...i would be surprised if it actually turned out to be kaine or vilsack now because the clinton camp has been so tight lipped...i also think clinton realizes the importance of women and latinos to beat trump...thinking it's warren, perez or becerra.

Exactly, you expanded on my point 2.

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I am cautiously optimistic that she'll make an exciting pick.

I mean, she must have "felt the magic" during her joint rally with Warren, because there's no way she could have felt it with Kaine. It was just so obvious what a bore the guy is, and for all her flaws, Hillary isn't stupid.

Plus, it seems to me that Trump has kind of made a tactical error. Pence was a super-boring pick, and his convention so far has been a dud. It'll appeal to the most hardcore of hardcore Republicans, but I have a hard time seeing how someone who is on the fence could turn on the TV, witness the tone of the RNC (blatant racism, factless lip-flapping, chants of "lock her up!" etc.) and feel more comfortable voting Trump.

A choice like Kaine or Vilsack is status quo. Maybe it keeps the race at Clinton +3 or so, but that's still an uncomfortably thin margin when the stakes are as high as they are. At this stage with Trump, I have a very hard time seeing how Warren would actually hurt Clinton, net-net... and with Warren there is a real opportunity to unleash some excitement for the campaign. What is more, I think Warren's energy helps make Hillary a better candidate herself. And when she feels like she's fighting to make history, it becomes personal for her and she begins to exude a kind of warmth that could improve her favourables. Plus, Hillary needs a more coherent message, and Warren helps crystallize one for the campaign (kind of like how Romney's Ryan pick was seen at the time to give the GOP ticket some ideological teeth).

Even so, my one fear with Trump is that his campaign and messaging are so thin that it is very easy for people to project whatever they want onto him. A core message of "greatness" is pretty flexible. CNN had a family of Trump supporters on Don Lemon's show last night (a black family, no less), and their message was thoughtful, precise, well-informed... except Trump has never really indicated his support for what this family was fighting for. They just, sort of... saw it in him. That's scary. Especially when it gives surrogates the chance to actually present an intelligent case for Trump.

All that to say, Hillary needs someone who actually makes her ideological case stronger as well as someone who is not afraid to go on the attack in a substantial way. She also needs to find a way to at least partially make her campaign transcend the political and become a movement. The only candidate who does all this for her is Warren. The party's demographic advantage makes it hard for Hillary to lose regardless, but it would be nice to give the Republicans a thumping so that things can actually get done. And long-term, the only way Hillary wins re-election is if she can actually point to progress.

The one exciting thing about Kaine is he's fluent in Spanish, but otherwise I pretty much agree.

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Hope this isn't true:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/755766654152368128

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Huffington Post: Tim Kaine Calls To Deregulate Banks As He Campaigns To Be Clinton’s VP

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Huffington Post: Tim Kaine Calls To Deregulate Banks As He Campaigns To Be Clinton’s VP

Dear lord

Banks should be regulated, it should not be abolished like what progressives want. Without banks in this country, how is there credit?

But that's...that's not at all...ugh never mind I'm not going to bother.

The progressives plan is to nationalize the banks, or to abolish them so that the government can create prosperity among the non-producers. Regulate the banks, don't abolish it.

Where the heck did you get this idea from?

Sanders and the far left make it seem that banks and free enterprise are evil, evil. You can't have a country without a free market system. Regulate the banks, don't abolish it or nationalize it like crazy.

Where/when did Sanders propose to nationalize banks? He always spoke of breaking up the big banks like Roosevelt did. I fail to see how you arrive to this conclusion and then cast it over an entire wing of left-leaning voters.

That's his ultimate goal, but he never spoke about it because he knew he would lose. Other than that, if not Kaine or Vilsack, former Indiana Rep. Tim Roemer would be good. He was an Ambassador to India.

http://www.patriotledger.com/article/20160420/NEWS/160507253

You can't just make stuff up on what you think someone's views are.

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http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/07/21/tim-kaine-has-massachusetts-fundraisers-scheduled-for-friday-saturday/cZaEIKSvsvdIH8U70LthVI/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Atwitter Boston Globe reports Tim Kaine has fundraisers in MA on Friday and Saturday

Which strongly suggests it isn't him?

I don't think anyone knows yet, he could changes his plans very fast if need be

The idea of all the leaks and press being a head fake for Warren or someone else more exciting may be a possibility.

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Any chance it could be Sanders?

Extreamly doubtful, but you never know. It would be a huge surprise.

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I'm really praying that all of these "VP leaks" end up being a head-fake for a surprise pick like Warren.

If it does end up being Kaine, do you think Hillary would want to appoint Warren to a position in her cabinet?

You would still temporarily give up the Senate seat unless Reid found a loophole in Massachusetts state law

Or you know they pass new law that requires the governor to pick a member of the same party. A few other states have this.

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I'm really praying that all of these "VP leaks" end up being a head-fake for a surprise pick like Warren.

If it does end up being Kaine, do you think Hillary would want to appoint Warren to a position in her cabinet?

You would still temporarily give up the Senate seat unless Reid found a loophole in Massachusetts state law

Or you know they pass new law that requires the governor to pick a member of the same party. A few other states have this.

Needs to be same party from a list provided by that party's committee.  Otherwise, Baker could just appoint Stephen Lynch to mess with the Dems as much as possible.

Of course, I missed out on that detail.

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In terms of actual polices, give me Kaine any day over Warner.

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They won't get any coverage of it if they announce today.

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She just said Charlie Christ... run away!