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LBJ Revivalist
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« on: February 23, 2011, 05:43:46 AM »

And from the looks of this Ike liked FDR, at least enough to sit next to him on a plane.

Ike didn't just work for FDR, he was his homeboy.

In point of fact FDR was a fine conservative or 'liberal' in the accurate sense, and all the nincompoops who worship Ayn Rand and join Tea Parties should be worshiping him for saving their precious system of exploitation.

Everything he built is being destroyed.
WE'RE GOING BACK TO 1880!
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LBJ Revivalist
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 08:18:14 AM »

And from the looks of this Ike liked FDR, at least enough to sit next to him on a plane.

Ike didn't just work for FDR, he was his homeboy.

In point of fact FDR was a fine conservative or 'liberal' in the accurate sense, and all the nincompoops who worship Ayn Rand and join Tea Parties should be worshiping him for saving their precious system of exploitation.

Everything he built is being destroyed.
WE'RE GOING BACK TO 1880!

From a Marxisant perspective, FDR can be condemned for one of two central reasons. Either he was a stooge for capitalists who tricked the workers into believing their interests can vie with those of elites who possess the means of production - thus mitigating the threat of workers realizing their plight and fighting for socialism - or he was genuinely leftist but naive to think he could defeat capitalist interests without fully destroying the system that empowers them. Those who advocate far right policies are a long-term threat to capitalism's survival whereas "third way," social liberal, and social democratic types are desirable because they can fool the proletariat into thinking capitalism is beneficial for workers. In this sense, ironically, FDR and DDE were better guardians of the system than Tea Partiers will ever be.

Or did I read into what Opebo was getting at in the wrong way?

Leftists are not Marxists. Do not attempt to use our ideology and it's achievements for your ends. Liberalism is perhaps midway path, between Socialism and Laissez-Faire Capitalism--But there is nothing inherently wrong with the Capitalist system, with the system of free enterprise--so long as there are regulations looking over it, a safety net for those who have need of it, and the government's hand in crucial areas like education and health. The kind of system advocated by TR, FDR, LBJ, etc, is a fine system which takes the best of both Capitalist and Socialist principles. I believe both pure Socialism and pure Laissez-Faire Capitalism are just as ugly and destructive, and are both extremist systems.
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LBJ Revivalist
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 05:47:01 PM »

In point of fact FDR was a fine conservative or 'liberal' in the accurate sense, and all the nincompoops who worship Ayn Rand and join Tea Parties should be worshiping him for saving their precious system of exploitation.

Everything he built is being destroyed.
WE'RE GOING BACK TO 1880!

From a Marxisant perspective, FDR can be condemned for one of two central reasons...

Or did I read into what Opebo was getting at in the wrong way?

No sir, Redalgo, you read me exactly correctly, and put my point better than I could have, diligent lad!

Why is Capitalism considered a bad thing?
I agree that having Capitalism be unfettered as in the Gilded Age can and would be incredibly destructive,  and IMO would also be a moral wrong. It creates a system of deep economic inequality, and opens the door to the abuse and misuse of middle and lower class people by the upper closes. But pure Socialism in other ways no matter--it's very concept that everyone should be rendered economically equal not simply in theory, but in practice, goes against our competitive nature, and while on paper it's a nice system, as we've seen in history, in practice it leads only to totalitarianism.
That's why I look at Liberalism--Liberalism meant here in the economic sense as in the policies of TR, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, etc--as a great midway between the two, the best of both systems and a system that has sustained us for over 100 years.
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