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Averroës Nix
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« on: September 17, 2011, 01:30:11 PM »

For the reasons specified in the original post? No. Romney or Perry are both prepared for a national campaign against Obama, and if (as we have every reason to suspect) the economy does not improve, either would be competitive.

That said, if Republicans should be worried about any polling at this point, it's Romney's and Perry's net favorability among independents. On this count, Perry is still largely an unknown (though the latest Quinnipiac poll showed him doing very poorly among the 45% of indies who did recognize his name), and Romney doesn't do much better than Obama.
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Averroës Nix
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2011, 07:00:49 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2011, 07:02:48 PM by Averroës Nix »

Absolutely irrelevant. Those polls are meaningless. Presidential campaigns hardly ever matter, and they are driven by the economy. Barring an economic miracle within the next year, Obama is toast, no matter who the GOP nominates. Why don't people on this forum get this concept? It's getting really tiring repeating myself.

If the election was held today, he would lose in a landslide. It will be close-ish if unemployment is around 8.5%, but anything above that he can kiss a second term goodbye, and 9%+ (as it is now) there's 0% chance he wins. It's really not that hard to understand.

"Meaningless" takes things too far. I'm willing to accept that no Republican could have won in, say, 2008, or that no Democrat could have won in, for instance, 1972. But you would need to make a very persuasive argument to convince me that campaigns and candidates don't matter in years like 2000 or 2004. History shows that they do matter on the margins, and totally dismissing them is way too deterministic.

Obama's personal favorability ratings are very high given economic conditions, Congress has a record-low approval rating, and the GOP candidates are not popular among independents - these aren't things that you can just handwave while saying that the economy will determine the results.
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Averroës Nix
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2011, 08:59:40 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2011, 09:05:50 PM by Averroës Nix »

Maybe this thread should be posting approvals/favorabilities instead of retarded head to heads then, eh?

It would certainly be more productive than pointlessly insulting people because they're not doing what you want them to.

Here are some numbers from the latest PPP poll. (665 voters, 9/8-9/11, margin of error +/-3.8%) (See the original here)

Unfortunately they didn't poll Obama's favorables.

Mitt Romney - 37/44/19
Rick Perry - 30/50/20
Michele Bachmann - 30/53/17
Newt Gingrich - 28/57/16

The same poll finds John McCain with 36/54/10. Not promising for Republicans, eh?
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