Wisconsin Megathread v2: Hagedorn vs. Neubauer

[MasterJedi]

UGH! I want this whole darn night to be over. This is a nightmare!

Did he win or what?

Given the incoming absentees and the outstanding vote, I feel fairly confident in calling it for Evers.

99% in without the Milwaukee votes included in the count and Evers up by 800 so he should win.

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Rebecca Kleefisch said there may be a recount.

Yep, and with Calumet/Manitowoc/New Berlin still out...there are plenty of chances for the Dems to fall below 1%.

Just admit you’re on suicide watch. Thoughts and prayers.

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Guys, I wouldn't call this official just yet. Scott Walker is demanding a recount, and he might just slither his way through this.

He can't actually request this until next week at the earliest, after all counties certify the results. If it's more than a 1% margin, Walker is SOL.

I believe he can still request it, he would just have to pay for it out of his own (koch bros) pockets.

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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is making it pretty clear that unless the margin falls below 1%, Walker can't ask for a recount.

Hope that's true. What we win if it can't happen:

1. The assault on schools/healthcare stops
2. Regional transit authorities might be able to be made legal
3. The assault on Milwaukee/the new streetcar system
4. The continued bonding and not paying of road interest should be stopped. Republicans might be willing to get a small gas tax increase since they were not happy with Walker on his road plan.

[MasterJedi]

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is making it pretty clear that unless the margin falls below 1%, Walker can't ask for a recount.

Hope that's true. What we win if it can't happen:

1. The assault on schools/healthcare stops
2. Regional transit authorities might be able to be made legal
3. The assault on Milwaukee/the new streetcar system
4. The continued bonding and not paying of road interest should be stopped. Republicans might be willing to get a small gas tax increase since they were not happy with Walker on his road plan.

Court drawn maps in 2021.

Forgot about that too, so 2022 we could get a better state legislature too.

[MasterJedi]

Supposedly 2,000 of the Milwaukee ballots were "reconstructed", I doubt it changes anything at all though.

[MasterJedi]

Walker conceded!!!

https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1060258991215992833

"Mr. Koch, can I have a job please?"

[MasterJedi]

Even the WISC will vote against the power grab.

[MasterJedi]

Evers and the Dems should really push for getting marijuana legalized first honestly. It's an easy way to get a tax increase in and get a lot more funding for the schools and roads and they might be able to get it past Republicans for a ballot initiative in 2020, which would help the Dems win the state too.

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Evers and the Dems should really push for getting marijuana legalized first honestly. It's an easy way to get a tax increase in and get a lot more funding for the schools and roads and they might be able to get it past Republicans for a ballot initiative in 2020, which would help the Dems win the state too.

Yep! I was just talking about this with one of my students yesterday.

Um... Wisconsin doesn't have ballot initiatives. The most they could do is pressure the legislature to pass it and tax it... which, isn't a bad strategy. I don't think it's likely, but it would be popular.

It does have Referendums though, which could be run in every county. For instance, Dane county overwhelmingly passed a Referendum on Tuesday to legalize Marijuana sales in the country, to be taxed and regulated like alcohol.

That doesn't overturn state law though... so state cops could still shut down any dispensaries in Madison... if that's how the GOP wants to roll. I'm not sure that Marijuana is unpopular enough with the GOP rank in file for them to care. That's why I think Evers is probably ok trying to work out bi-partisan legalization. I honestly think medical marijuana is likely. Recreational might be a bridge too far, but we'll see.

If the Referendum in Dane is any indication (>88%), and assuming even modestly proportional statewide support, recreational Marijuana could easily be passed in the state.

None of the refrenda are binding. It has to go through the legislature.

I know; I know. The point I'm making is that getting a statewide Referendum in 2020 could produce the kind of support that would help Democrats overall.

I don't think the Republicans would stand in the way of a 60% approval. Some would be a lot of them are probably willing if they wouldn't get destroyed for it.

[MasterJedi]

Sounds like the chances of stripping powers from the Governor is increasing.

I'm still hesitant to call this analogous to NC. For many years, the Wisconsin government had a lot of professional, independent agency heads and boards that were not under the direct purview of the governor, such as the DNR. Walker and the GOP booted a ton of those folks and moved their powers to the executive directly. I think this is more regret than power grab.

No, they wouldn't have done this if Walker had stayed in office. if they strip them they'd likely put it back for the next governor, likely Vos who will run in 2022.

[MasterJedi]

Has anyone heard about this???

http://www.dailyjournal.net/2018/11/08/wi-election-2018-14th-assembly/

Want to know the best part about this? This is the seat that Walker used to represent in the State Assembly.

I kept telling Hofoid that the GOP margins in the WOW counties were going to go down post-Trump, but he just flat-out denied it!

Remember, Calumet and Manitowac County would overcome the 45k ballots outstanding in Milwaukee!

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This is gold: https://www.facebook.com/79146833756/posts/10156225759733757/

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Walker’s magic surplus is gone, $2 billion dollar hole we’re in right now. Local Republicans calling it fake news and blaming the deficit on Evers and Doyle if you can believe that.

[MasterJedi]

In Vos's words "no money for empty buses, streetcars or mass transit" "no more money for education, we have spent enough". Is willing to spend on roads/bridges though but nothing else.

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In Vos's words "no money for empty buses, streetcars or mass transit" "no more money for education, we have spent enough". Is willing to spend on roads/bridges though but nothing else.

This is why I despise the Wisconsin GOP right there. Seriously? No investments in education? After they screwed over teachers?

Oh, but "we invested more than any governor ever last year", ignoring how much they gutted everything in the 7 years before that. So to spend beyond it would be "reckless and require massive tax increases that will not happen".

[MasterJedi]

Can't grab the article right now but Walker wants to schedule the presidential primary in 2020 for March instead of April. He said it's to keep the partisan from the nonpartisan for elections but in reality it's just that he's terrified of yuge Dem turnout against Republicans. Also slays his "fiscal responsibility" bullcrap he likes to spew.

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The WI GOP won't back down.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/11/27/wisconsin-republicans-6-7-votes-short-kimberly-clark-bill/2125199002/

Have to love it, big corporation tells the state “you will give us this money or we will close the plant” and the Republican response is “sure thing boss” but kids getting lead poisoning or public transportation to get people to their jobs is a “waste of money”.

[MasterJedi]

Yeah, if people from both parties can’t at least agree that the moves of the WI GOP, MI GOP, and NC GOP are out of line and blatantly self-serving attempts to avoid the will of the people, we’re never going to get anywhere. Of course, I’m sure many usual suspects will dodge the question by bringing up Menendez or someone from the Illinois Democratic Party to “prove” that “the Democrats are just as bad/way worse!!!” I get that we’re polarized, but we’re all screwed if we can’t acknowledge when our own party is giving the middle finger to their constituents to consolidate power.

The moves are heralded by the conservatives in the burbs here right now. It's to stop Evers "from bending us over and bleeding us dry" which would somehow happen with a Republican legislature? There's also the #ResistEvers meme right now going around heavily too.

[MasterJedi]

Yeah, if people from both parties can’t at least agree that the moves of the WI GOP, MI GOP, and NC GOP are out of line and blatantly self-serving attempts to avoid the will of the people, we’re never going to get anywhere. Of course, I’m sure many usual suspects will dodge the question by bringing up Menendez or someone from the Illinois Democratic Party to “prove” that “the Democrats are just as bad/way worse!!!” I get that we’re polarized, but we’re all screwed if we can’t acknowledge when our own party is giving the middle finger to their constituents to consolidate power.

The moves are heralded by the conservatives in the burbs here right now. It's to stop Evers "from bending us over and bleeding us dry" which would somehow happen with a Republican legislature? There's also the #ResistEvers meme right now going around heavily too.

Even though it was Evers ability to break the complete stranglehold in the burbs (Milwaukee, Ozaukee and Waukesha) as to why Walker lost.

You have to realize a lot of these people are those that live outside of Milwaukee county and refuse to ever go to the city because they will be "mugged, raped and shot" if they do. You'll also hear "I don't let my wife go east of hwy 100" as well quite often from this crowd.

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Very sad. Urban-rural divide will get worse with ignorance like this.

https://twitter.com/repvos/status/1072312325032603648

This is identity politics. Full stop.

Republicans love identity politics when it's white male grievance.

How dare more people want to live in civilization and not out in the boonies or in the burbs where you have to drive far distances for everything.

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https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2018/12/31/everyone-wants-legal-pot/

All 19 Municipalities in Milwaukee County voted for recreational pot in the advisory referendum in November.

[MasterJedi]

Scott Walker will be moving to a downtown Milwaukee condo

Also doesn't rule out running again. Don't think he'll get along well with the wealthy liberals that live in a lot of those lakefront condos.

[MasterJedi]

He wants to be Governor and he'll do all he can to hurt the two biggest entities in the state (Milwaukee and Madison) while riling up the base who thinks that if you go into either city you'll get mugged, raped and shot. Sadly it's a very common belief out in the country.

[MasterJedi]

He wants to be Governor and he'll do all he can to hurt the two biggest entities in the state (Milwaukee and Madison) while riling up the base who thinks that if you go into either city you'll get mugged, raped and shot. Sadly it's a very common belief out in the country.

Prolly Madison is safe, but Milwaukee? Might as well be Little Chicago. 

0/10, trolling failed. But yeah, a lot of people believe the lie and think you just get shot if you go into Milwaukee or Chicago.