Pledge of Allegiance Bill

[MasterJedi]

And I'm against this based on how I voted and debated last time.

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[MasterJedi]

This seems to be going well.  Nobody has really provided a valid argument against this bill, including the three senators who were so keen to stifle any debate on it.

We already had a lot of debate on this before.

There's no reason to get rid of the pledge. People are saying it's forcing you to be patritotic. It's not you don't have to say it if you don't want to. It's optional so it's not trying to force you to be patriotic, just giving you another option.

So because you don't want to say it you want to just get rid of it. Why can't you just leave it alone? It's not hurting you to sit/stand there and hear other people say it so just leave well enough alone.

[MasterJedi]

People are saying it's forcing you to be patritotic. It's not you don't have to say it if you don't want to.

Most school students would disagree.

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Correct, but why is it necessary for the government to officially sanction it? While the pledge has been around since the 1800s, people managed to be perfectly patriotic without it being sanctioned until 1942.

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We're not getting rid of anything. We are merely reverting to the pre-1942 situation, in which the government did not attempt to legislate how people should express their patriotism.

And if those students are being forced they can complaign, go to court and get that fixed. Yes, you are getting rid of an optional pledge that's effecting no one unless they wish it to effect them. Just stop trying to take away our option to say the pledge the when and way it is now. Although I already know that the Senate will get rid of the pledge, it's not like my arguments will change your mind. That's what pissed me off, people can't leave well enough alone. People always want to get rid of something they don't agree with even if it doesn't effect them. Bah, I'm done, I won't make a difference in this debate so I'll leave, disgusted.

[MasterJedi]

Just stop trying to take away our option to say the pledge the when and way it is now.

Where have I done that? I am not in the habit of supporting bills that restrict the freedom of speech. Please point out how I am taking away someone's right to say whatever he pleases.

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I don't accept that logic. By that line of reasoning, unmarried men shouldn't try to get rid of abortions, simply because it doesn't affect them.

You're trying to take away the pledge which means that it won't be said anymore which means you're taking away peoples rights to say it the way it is at the time it is now. If you get rid of it I'd like to see you try to say the pledge in school, should be interesting what happens. (As in you getting bitched at and not being able to say it).

Nice twisting with the second quote.

Oh and by your logic you might want to try to get rid of the national anthem along with saying it at sporting events. Isn't that a way to try to legislate patriotism? It's optional just like the pledge but they want us to say it.

[MasterJedi]

Nay

[MasterJedi]

4-3-1... come on, one more Nay....

Yeah, one more Nay so Emsworth can break the tie by voting aye. -_-