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TeePee4Prez
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« on: May 12, 2008, 06:00:17 PM »


1. Using the just-war theory, what justification did America have to get involved in WWI (and don't say "Lusitania". That was a British ship that had prior warning about a German attack.)

NONE!  As an ethnic Irish Catholic, I would have fired the torpedo!  Thing is I would be torn on the simple fact of preservation of democracy which the Central Powers were clearly against.  To hell with the British!

2. If the U.S. had not intervened in WWI, would it have been more likely that a treaty fairer to the Germans would have ended it, rather than the one-sided Versailles Treaty?

Absolutely.  I don't think Hitler's actions were justified however I could understand why Germany was pissed.

3. Had a less one-sided treaty than Versailles ended the war, would it have been as likely for Hitler to have risen to power on a nationalistic platform?

Hitler would have never rose to power without Versailles.

4. Had the British not drawn artificial boundaries for Eastern Europe and the Middle East, would the conflicts in the Balkans, Palestine, and the Muslim World have been as likely?

Nope.  Anything the British touch, they  up!

5. Should Roosevelt and Chuchill have opened up their immigration policy to Jews and other non-Aryans fleeing Nazi Germany?

Yes

6. Would the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor have happened if Roosevelt had not placed sanctions against Japan?

Yes.  Japan was clearly power hungry.

7. If we needed to declare war against Germany to stop Hitler, why didn't we 'need' to declare war on Russia to stop the genocidal Stalin? Did we 'need' to declare war on France in the 19th Century to stop Napoleon?

Hitler was clearly a threat to Western Democracies, Stalin was not.  As for Napoleon, there was no need to stop him.  I think the world as we know it would have been better off had he prevailed.

8. Given that Hitler couldn't cross the English Channel, how likely would it have been for Hitler to invade the United States?

US involvment and the Lend-Lease Act bailed Britain out.  It would have been a matter of time before they collapsed and I even think Eamon DeValera in Ireland would have chimed in from the west to support Hitler similar to the Croats and Bosnians in the Balkans.

9. Does it matter that German civilians were targeted during both wars?

No.

10. Were Hiroshima and Nagasaki really necessary to end the war, since the Japanese were willing to negociate a conditional surrender?

Yes.  The Japanese would not have surrendered otherwise and up to 1 million lives would have been lost if the bombs were not dropped.  This is truly an us vs. them scenario.
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2008, 08:02:44 PM »

2. If the U.S. had not intervened in WWI, would it have been more likely that a treaty fairer to the Germans would have ended it, rather than the one-sided Versailles Treaty?

Absolutely.  I don't think Hitler's actions were justified however I could understand why Germany was pissed.

What? You're saying that the US made Versailles worse?

I've already gone through the stupidity of Versailles made Hitler arguments.

I think US backing embolded the other Allied powers.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 08:04:28 PM »

Flyers, do some research on Woodrow Wilson's vision of post war Europe and please adjust your statements, and try not to be such a bigoted murderer with your torpedo statement, in case you haven't noticed, it's not "trendy" or "cool" to tow that American IRA bullsh**t, if Ireland has moved past it, so can your fat American ass.

Believe me some of those weapons would have been turned on the Irish.  You can't deny that.  Ultimately I would still side with the Allies on preservation of democracy, but that would be about it for me.
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 08:16:58 PM »

Flyers, do some research on Woodrow Wilson's vision of post war Europe and please adjust your statements, and try not to be such a bigoted murderer with your torpedo statement, in case you haven't noticed, it's not "trendy" or "cool" to tow that American IRA bullsh**t, if Ireland has moved past it, so can your fat American ass.

Believe me some of those weapons would have been turned on the Irish.  You can't deny that.


I'm a McCoy alright? I get the Irish thing, but it's silly when Americans are the last to get over it... I really disagree with your Versailles view, Wilson wanted to be as soft as possible on the Germans.

In which I agree with Wilson.  The other powers however, were asking too much.  I would have partitioned Eastern Europe a lot moreso.  When it comes to Europe, I'm strongly nationalistic with some regions needing to be independent multi-national UN overseen independent nations such as Northern Ireland.  Yugoslavia was not one of them, but I could understand say a Bosnia, an independent Trieste region (Italy, Slovenia, Croatia), and say an independent Sudetenland, etc treated the same. 
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