Sanoturm/Guiliani ticket - who can beat them if Santorum wins PA

[TeePee4Prez]

I think Hillary can still win PA.  Santorum is toast in the Southeast and he needs us to win PA.

[TeePee4Prez]

I think Hillary can still win PA.  Santorum is toast in the Southeast and he needs us to win PA.

You're delusional.

I agree.  The fact is, many people do like Santorum.  I doubt even 45% of the population agrees with him politically, but he is a great campaigner.  Many people (not including me) see him as the Common Man, so they have a favorable opinion of him.  I used to underestimate him, but know I believe he will be a formidable opponent to Casey (though Casey still has an advantage) and could easily beat Hillary (if he wins reelection).

You are absoultely right, but Santorum has oodles of cash to make him sound like the "common man" <LMAO>.  If Allyson Schwartz won against Col. Klink in 2000 in the Dem primary, you could be rest assured EMILY's List $$$ along with the Southeast would have axed Little Dicky in favor of Schwartz who surprisingly to your dismay Phil is a moderate, not Barbara Boxer. 

Yeah Phil, I know you're thinking "yep he's delusional."  Well, just ask Melissa Brown how she did against a woman who profited from an abortion clinic in supposedly "solidly pro-life" Northeast Philadelphia.  Yep, and you and I know that was on anti-Schwartz literature and her child(ish) website "RadicalAllyson.com."  Wasn't that 23 point loss a kick in the groin there buddy?  Please, keep saying "liberals like Schwartz won't beat conservatives like Toomey" and that everyone is somehow in love with these Catholic children of ex-Democrats picked up their bootstraps and became wealthy extremist Republicans (Santoomey, Hart, et al.).  I actually disdain those assholes more than Bush.   

[TeePee4Prez]

Santorum won twice statewide for Seante, so no he actually doesn't "need" southeast you guys.

In all fairness, without the SE in 2000 (which he did win), it would have been close. However, I don't think he did all that well here in '94 yet won the seat.

Some of the arrogant people that reside in the same area as I do continue to make the SE look bad when they make it seem like we are the only people that matter. A candidate does not need to SE to win. But here's some advice: Keep saying what you're saying, Flyers. While you make some people (like myself) look bad as a resident of SE PA, you help the GOP. Lock up the west for us, please. Make your foolish comments. Maybe we can get Eddie to make a slip up like that, too. You only destroy yourself.

Granted a candidate doesn't need the SE to win, however a candidate needs to do somewhat respectable in the SE in order to win, something Santorum might not be able to do anymore

Thank you!  The GOP will always be respectable in the SE, but it is rapidly slipping from them.  And don't think the West will be "locked up" just yet Phil.  Remember, there will always be economic populists in PA that will vote accordingly.

[TeePee4Prez]

  Yes Fisher was a weak opponent, but Fisher was actually a stronger opponent than Kilnk, who lost to the INCUMBENT Santorum by 7 in 2002.  Klink was a HORRID canidate, Hafer is a stronger candidate than Klink. 

First of all, Fisher was weaker than Klink! Fisher received 44%. Klink received 46%. Using your logic, Klink should have lost by more since Santorum was an incumbent. Klink was weak but so is Hafer. Hafer would bring one thing to the race: money. That's it. She'd stand no chance with conservative Democrats.

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[TeePee4Prez]

We all saw how accurate you were with PA-13....

Flyers was worried about a Brown win, too, early on and actually was off when it came down to how much Schwartz would win by. You can't judge my analysis of PA as a whole by PA 13. You are just flat out clueless when it comes to this. You make things up and think it's good analysis of the state. Basically, you're a more annoying BRTD.

Where to begin?  Yes, I was worried about a Brown win after Hoeffel's near loss in 2002, but I realized the local numbers were much more in favor of the Democrats nationally in 2004.  You can't say it was just Rendell that helped Hoeffel.  I know the GOP has some pull at the city and state level in Northeast Philly, but surely not at the national level and I'm not just talking about the Presidency.  I may also add Arlen Specter only won 6 out of 14 wards in NE Philly against Hoeffel while Bush won NONE!  Specter even won my moderately liberal 56th Ward.  Not impressive especially considering how well the GOP did here in the 1980s, which IHMO was phenomenal relative to today.  I think Santorum would perform at best against a Joe Hoeffel or Barb Hafer 2 wards in NE Philly being the 55th and 64th.  NE Philly is a bellweather, leaning slightly more Dem than the state at large.  I also recall Rick Santorum winning every suburban Philadelphia county as well.  Do you honestly think he could win Montgomery or Delaware after Bush got his ass trounced in both of them?  I also think Hoeffel/Hafer could pull off Bucks and maybe even Chester with Rendell on top of the ticket as well.  I realize Santorum would gain over Klink out west with a candidate such as Hoeffel, not Hafer.  Where is the population growth in PA Phil?  You guessed it right- the Southeast!  Do you also recall how far Klink was down in the polls just days before the 2000 election?  Try 20 points.  He was written off quite early.  I hate to repeat myself, but how did Debbie Stabenow beat the supposedly popular Spencer Abraham in Michigan.  Remember, Michigan very closely resembles Pennsylvania in political geography.  Stabenow down 17 up to 4 weeks before the election.  EMILY's List comes in= GAME OVER FOR SPENCER ABRAHAM!