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mileslunn
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« on: December 07, 2023, 02:55:24 PM »

Much talk recently has been outside large metro areas, many working class areas that used to vote for parties on left have swung rightward.  I was wondering if any could name places that still continue to vote left and haven't yet shifted.

Only I can think of is northern parts of Norway, Sweden, and Finland as well as Alentejo region of Portugal (often communists come in second here).  I believe there are a few in France and Germany but not widespread and cannot remember exact locations.

Some that are shifting but haven't yet flipped are Iron Ridge in Minnesota and Wisconsin, Northern Ontario, Welsh Valleys and Silver Bow & Deer Lodge counties in Montana.
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2023, 12:11:14 AM »

Another one is Alentejo region of Portugal.  Don't know specifics but I believe in Australia some but fewer than in past.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2023, 03:43:23 PM »


That is true.  Northern part will be interesting if that holds or not.  Southern part is more a lot of your ex hippie type retirees so I don't see rural areas south of Nanaimo swinging right although I guess Conservatives could win some if Liberals, NDP and Greens split vote enough but need to be a pretty big split.


The rural black belt of the deep south.
Some rural areas north of San Francisco, I suppose.


Those are more upper middle class like Sonoma County.  Mendocino County perhaps but still has lots of your granola type liberals.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2023, 12:35:55 PM »

Much talk recently has been outside large metro areas, many working class areas that used to vote for parties on left have swung rightward.  I was wondering if any could name places that still continue to vote left and haven't yet shifted.

Only I can think of is northern parts of Norway, Sweden, and Finland as well as Alentejo region of Portugal (often communists come in second here).  I believe there are a few in France and Germany but not widespread and cannot remember exact locations.

Some that are shifting but haven't yet flipped are Iron Ridge in Minnesota and Wisconsin, Northern Ontario, Welsh Valleys and Silver Bow & Deer Lodge counties in Montana.

The Valleys swung about as much as the rest of the UK did in the last general election, so evidence that they're swinging rightwards is, if we're being very generous, less than strong.

True although Welsh Valleys still voted Labour even if margins much lower than have been in past.  Many other areas like that have flipped completely not just seen gap narrow.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2023, 05:31:54 PM »

a lot of the smaller cities in the PNW and California

Olympic Peninsula went for Obama but swung over to Trump.  Some places like San Juan Islands and Northern California coast are but those are more your granola eating type progressives and well educated progressive boomer retirees not your blue collar types.  Coastal Oregon is same thus why Clatsop County still Democrat but Tillamook County has swung GOP.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2023, 11:58:26 PM »

How do the Ds do in Springfield, Oregon (hometown of the Simpsons)?

They won it, but by around 15 points and its right next door to Eugene which is super liberal so probably some spillover from that.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2023, 06:00:05 PM »

I should have prefaced it as white working class as areas like Yakima (large Hispanic community), Black belt in South still going Democrat.  Likewise in other countries non-whites mostly in cities, but First Nations in Northern Canada, Aboriginals in Northern Territories of Australia, and Maori in rural New Zealand still vote left.  In fact left has done a good job of holding non-white working class and any support right gets from non-whites tends to be the more well off.  But amongst white working class, it seems only in larger cities is it holding up, not so much in smaller or rural.  Also in large cities those are mostly service industry jobs while in smaller communities tend to be more manufacturing or primary sector.
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