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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
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« on: June 02, 2008, 10:22:22 AM »

Powell would still have been a disloyal, self-serving, duplicitous prick and would have been waging a bureacratic war on Gates/Petraeus instead of Rumsfeld/Franks.

I think the military situation on the ground would have been much better.

Another (minor?) detail: Paul Bremer should have been administrator of Iraq right from the beginning instead of Jay Garner. Garner was in charge only a very short period of time, but this period was perhaps the most critical one.

And while we're at it... why not Colin Powell as Secretary of Defense from January 2001 on? And McCain as VP. Wink

Jay Garner was only there for a month or so anyway.  Paul Bremer was a disaster and should never have been sent at all.

There should not have been an American adminisrator at all.  We should have put together an Iraqi government before even invading and installed them as the new government from day one.

There was no Paul Bremer type figure in Afghanistan, we went straight to an Afghan government and it has worked out much better.
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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 09:18:04 AM »

Things would be bad, but not as bad as they are now. I doubt Petraeus would have disbanded the Iraqi Army or allowed the orgy of looting to continue for weeks before doing anything about it. He would definately have paid greater attention to cultural sensativity and relations with local leaders, clerics, and tribal sheiks.

Disbanding the Iraqi Army was the right thing to do.

First of all, the Army had already disbanded itself.  There is no reason to think Shi'ite soldiers conscripted into service by Saddam would have heeded an order to serve in an Army they never wanted to be a part of to begin with.

Second, making the recreation of the main tool by which Saddam oppressed his people our first act as occupiers of Iraq would have poisoned our image in the eyes of the Iraqi people.

Third, the Saddam-era security services we did keep proved to be more a harm than a help in post-war Iraq.  We did keep the Saddam era police forces intact and they proved to be brutish and disloyal and were hated by the population.  We had to later disband this force and start a new police force fro scratch.  We also reconstituted part of the Army in the form of the Fallujah Brigade, and it turned out to be one of our worst mistakes of the occupation.
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