You people are filled with nothing but hate

[The Duke]

This goes out to the jferns, the scoonies, the miss catholics.  And it goes out to all the liberals who feel the same way but lack the guts to say it.  And it goes out to everyone outside the Forum who loves DU, Kos, and Dean.  You people are sickening, and are filled witho nothing but hate.

Americans have wroked for 200 years to build a civil society, and you sniveling bastards are trying to tear it all down.  And why?  Just to get Bush.  Because you couldn't beat him at the ballot box and you don't have the votes to impeach.  You've tried forging documents, you've tried name calling, you've tried pinning Abu Ghraib on him, and you've sicked defunct ambassadors and grieving moms on him.  It has been an endless stream of attacks, meritless, thoughtless, and yes, hateful attacks.

When an American loses their job, dies in war, has their house wiped out by a hurricane, you rush to jump on Bush.  Meanwhile, decent people rush to help out regardless of whether they're Republican or Democrat.  Decent people rush to help.

I've not been the President's best friend here or off line.  I've had many disagreements on key issues.  But I've always tried to keep my attacks on George W. Bush above the belt, stickng to policy, and only attacking where the facts were on my side.  I hold that same standard to my attacks on Democrats, trying to stay away from invective, steering clear of conpsiracy theories.  And I've certainly never suggested, as one poster here did in another thread, that national Democratic politicians were taking personal delight in the deaths of Americans anywhere.

I want to single out some Democrats and liberals here who haven't indulged in this, because I certainly don't want to paint all Democrats in a corner with jfern and scoonie.  People like Alcon, Al, True Democrat, Emsworth, and so many more there's no time to name them have been big enough and mature enough to stand in solidarity with the people affected by the disaster in Louisiana and Mississppi.  But I'm afraid that most Democrats are not as intelligent, fair, or informed as so many here.  On the street I see most Democrats are hate filled, people twisted by anger, without respect for the office of the President of the United States.  Most Democrats are more a miss catholic than they are a Justice Ben.

Thread after thread, devoted to blaming the president for the weather!  Literally blaming the President for natural disasters, as if signing Kyoto would undo hundreds of years of carbon emissions and cool the oceans down so there won't be hurricanes any more!  The President is the  first to declare a disaster area before a storm makes landfall, and he's accused of sitting around doing nothing while Americans die!  This is lie filled, hateful rhetoric.  Its not that this kind of nonsense has never happenned before in America, its just never happenned on such a scale to such an extreme.

Btw, the national Weather Service says that there are no more cat 4 and cat 5 hurricanes today than any other recent decade, and fewer than when hurricanes peaked in the 1940s (Did Republicans blame FDR for hurricanes?  I pretty sure they didn't.)

Again, thank you to all the Democrats who've not resorted to this kind of bullsh**t, and shame on those who have, you hate filled little ers.

[The Duke]

I'm filled with hate because I'm pointing out how the feds screwed up the disaster relief? Listen, Bush did a good job with the hurricanes in Florida right before the election, but he was a complete failure with Hurricane Katrina.

New Orleans was specifically mentioned as the most probable of 3 major diasasters in a 2001 FEMA report (A NY terrorist attack and SF earthquake were the other two). The Bush adminstration massively cut New Orleans's hurricane and flood related spending from $105M to $40M recently. Clearly we need to start preparing for a SF earthquake so that we can at least be ready for 1 out of 3 of those on that list.

Really, it's time for a President who doesn't make stupid comments like "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees".

Case in point.  Three paragraphs, not a word of condolence for the inoocent people in Mississippi who've lost everything, nothing but anger at George Bush.

Out of curiosity, what is your evaluation Kathleen Blanco, who refused to address the looter issue early on in this effort?

And you're bringing up some FEMA report from four years ago.  If a President reads every report from every agency in government, he'd be a disaster because he'd do nothing but read endless reports.

[The Duke]

Whatch how easy it is to let this degenrate into an insane and hateful conversation.



Democratic Mayor Nagin left these school buses in a parking lot while his citizens drowned.  The buses were to be used in any evacuation plan, but nagin never activated them.  Therefore, Nagin is incomeptent and responsible for those deaths.

This is so easy to find errors amid chaos, like I do above.  This is certainly a more greivous error than anything Bush did.  But it wasn't caused by callousness or stupidity, it was caused by chaos, and in cahos bad things happen.. I'm willing to leave it at that, are you?

Both my parents voted for Bush last year, they both think Bush completley screwed this up & the federal response was a complete disgrace.

Great, so your parents are whiny and annoying too.  Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.

[The Duke]

The troops needed to be down there quicker.  Their is no excuse for it taking four days to get the troops down to New Orleeans

The FEMA response was absolutley horrible.  You have someone heading FEMA who has NO DISASTER EXPOERIENCE, he is a friend of Bush though.  What kind of inept decision is it to hire a friend who has no experience in a VERY IMPORTANT position like the head of FEMA???

More bullsh**t from Smash.  Blanco refused to fill out the paperwork to bring troops in.  This was a stupid problem to have, but if you really want to go here we can.  I'm willing to say it was chaos and that no one meant harm, but apparently some Democrats aren't willing to let it stay at that, so fine, let's do the partisan bullsh**t, and you can come up wiith a defense of why Blanco didn't give the Federal government legal authority to use troops.

Are you willing to drop that point?  Because I sure as hell am.  Or do you enjoy turning tragedy into flame war?

[The Duke]

The initial post was just as hate filled as anything JFern or anyone else has posted.
Have you bashed those on the far right who are celebrating the destuction of a great city because it was "sinful"?

I didn't know anyone had said that, but it is very sick to say that.

[The Duke]

BOOLA BOOLA!!!

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[The Duke]

For all those who've jumped on me for including scoonie here, take a gander.

Ridiculous, MODU.

Do you mean to tell me that greatly decreasing the funding for flood control in NO and not having an adequate plan to get people out of these areas is blameless? The adminstration was nowhere close to ready for the hurricane and hundreds of needless deaths will occure because of it.

I never said it was entirely his fault or anything like that, I am saying that the administrations ignorance will be the cause of many additional deaths.

You mean a 44% cut in spending for flood disaster in NO when everyone knew it was a serious threat was moronic??

I agree with you.

Hundreds more will die because of the governments lack of preparation concerning the hurriance. His ignorance towards building up and stengthening the levees also caused hundreds of deaths.

This president is the biggest failure of our times. Bush loyalists will make excuses and call me names, as it is easier than facing reality.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0831-04.htm

"New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars."

These quotes and others like it can be found in Scoonie's list of previous posts.  He was fully on board with the jfern bandwagon of blaming Bush for death in Louisiana until he (thankfully) changed his position and pledged to end all involvement in partisan bickering.  That pledge did not occur until September 2, four days after Katrina hit.

I'm in. No partisan rhetoric stuff from me for a week.

In response to being called on for his earlier nonsense, he has responded with something a touch short of civility.

Sorry, I thought it from you.  It's was Loony Scoonie.  My apologies.

Don't you have an abortion clinic to bomb or a braindead woman to rescue?

This goes out to the jferns, the scoonies, the miss catholics.  And it goes out to all the liberals who feel the same way but lack the guts to say it. 

Your arrogance is truly amazing.

I said on a previous thread three days ago that I wouldn't politicize the hurriance, and I haven't.

You don't know a damn thing about me. You are just another anti-American egomaniac who thinks all dissent should be stifled. 

It is true that he took a no partisanship pledge, but as I've proven, that did not ahppen until four days after Katrina made landfall.  Until then, he was just like jfern.

[The Duke]

P.S. This forum, in particular, has a lot of really good people who are Democrats. Emsworth, Al, Alcon and True Dem, as you had mentioned, in particular, I think deserve our respect and admiration for filling this role. Once again, there are people not on that list who also deserve praise.

I'd like to add Gabu to that list,  He deserves special praise for being one of if not the first to posters link to agencies where you can donate money for relief.

[The Duke]

And for the record this "hate filled" Liberal gave 2000 dollars to the red cross the day after the hurricane and i certainly don't care if it feeds a liberal or a conservative.

Did I say you were hate filled?  I singled out the people I was talking about, and you weren't one of them.