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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #100 on: February 01, 2012, 08:12:45 AM »

Wow Marokai you seem to have somehow confused a proposal to end two large, suffocating parties with a proposal to do what Marokai wants, or else!
You seem to have missed the fact that our President campaigned in support of more prudent spending and free trade, which is part of the core to the Liberal Party's platform! You seem to have overlooked that Snowguy is right in line with us on a majority of issues, from social policy to general foreign policy outlook to many game reform ideas.

Apparently, you seem to be under the impression that everyone in our party has to agree on everything. We generally agree with each other on the issues here in the Liberal Party. People choose to join a party based on the issues they find important. It is a personal decision. It is abs-freaking-lutely hilarious to watch the RPP socialist tell others what party they belong in.

None of us are picking apart the Labor Party's membership. You have a pretty wide range of social scores you know. I have a lot of respect for the Labor Party and its members. I hope you don't consume the Labor Party with your pettiness and bitter attitude.
He just hates the party because you are in it, as far as I can figure, and he hates me for not hating you.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #101 on: February 01, 2012, 08:30:28 AM »

Napoleon, my position here is very simple and based on something perfectly logical, and I'll walk you through it:

We were stuck in a two party system because the parties became too big.

Why did they become too big? Because people valued votes over sticking to any sort of ideology. Thus, they grew more and more bloated and inconsistent ideologically.

What was the proposal to solve that problem for? The caucus system, by design, was meant to encourage more ideological thinking. Caucuses were meant to be designed around individual philosophies or individual issues.

However, that doesn't solve the problem entirely, so Bgwah proposes dissolution. Why? Again, the parties were too big. Why were they too big? Again, because they became super-big-tent parties that were ideologically unrecognizable as anything.

So why would dissolution solve that? Because it would create smaller, more numerous parties.

Why would the goal be smaller, more numerous parties? Because parties had stopped prioritizing anything ideological and became giant vote-banks instead of actual parties.

What is the opposite of creating an ideologically consistent party that doesn't have a super big tent approach? The Liberals.

Therefore, I consider you (and the Communitarians) as being fundamentally opposed to how we solve our past mistakes inherently, by your very structure.

Let me re-order your comments slightly.


We were stuck in a (situation where) people valued votes over sticking to any sort of ideology. (this caused a)  two party system because the parties became too big. Why did they become too big? Because (of the above). Thus, they grew more and more bloated and inconsistent ideologically.

What was the proposal to solve that problem for? The caucus system, by design, was meant to encourage more ideological thinking. Caucuses were meant to be designed around individual philosophies or individual issues.

However, that doesn't solve the problem entirely, so Bgwah proposes dissolution. Why? Again, the parties were too big. Why were they too big? Again, because they became super-big-tent parties that were ideologically unrecognizable as anything.

So why would dissolution solve that? Because it would create smaller, more numerous parties.

Why would the goal be smaller, more numerous parties? Because parties had stopped prioritizing anything ideological and became giant vote-banks instead of actual parties.

What is the opposite of creating an ideologically consistent party that doesn't have a super big tent approach? The Liberals.

Therefore, I consider you (and the Communitarians) as being fundamentally opposed to how we solve our past mistakes inherently, by your very structure.

The problem is not a 2 party or 1 party system. The problem is people who come in, without knowing what the hell is going on in Atlasia, and vote as though they are equal to you, me, or napoleon. Each of us pays great attention to this game, and the idea that someone who's only contribution to Atlasia for an entire year is to cast a ballot based on party label makes me ill - yet every time I've come up with a proposal to stop this (and go back though my post history, this was one of my first issues. Read TPTTAA, it was the FIRST thing I dealt with) everyone shoots it down.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #102 on: February 01, 2012, 08:34:49 AM »

I, by nature, seek out the ridiculous situations in life. I have what seems to be a unique ability to detect them. I then am able to phrase things in such a way that people can detect how ridiculous I am, and then it's an easy and short step for me to show them how ridiculous the original situation is/was

Speaking of ridiculous things, we really should be having this debate in another thread.
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