Fate

[Derek]

Technically your fate is always in the past because it means that you couldn't have acted otherwise.

[Derek]

I believe in complete free will too but if fate is always looked at as something that couldn't have happened otherwise and as a past term rather than future then fate happens out of necessity and by definition. If I get a root beer out of the vending machine, then could I have acted otherwise? Yes but now it's too late.

[Derek]

I believe in complete free will too but if fate is always looked at as something that couldn't have happened otherwise and as a past term rather than future then fate happens out of necessity and by definition. If I get a root beer out of the vending machine, then could I have acted otherwise? Yes but now it's too late.

hmmm so what would you think the opposite of fate for the future is?

opposite would be just free will. Your future is whatever you make of it Annie.

[Derek]

I believe in complete free will too but if fate is always looked at as something that couldn't have happened otherwise and as a past term rather than future then fate happens out of necessity and by definition. If I get a root beer out of the vending machine, then could I have acted otherwise? Yes but now it's too late.

hmmm so what would you think the opposite of fate for the future is?

opposite would be just free will. Your future is whatever you make of it Annie.

when you say free will, you mean absolute free will?

What do you mean by absolute? I mean we do things because we decide to do them and nothing is forcing us or pre-determining it. Your nick name I find inappropriate Annie.

[Derek]

I believe in complete free will too but if fate is always looked at as something that couldn't have happened otherwise and as a past term rather than future then fate happens out of necessity and by definition. If I get a root beer out of the vending machine, then could I have acted otherwise? Yes but now it's too late.

hmmm so what would you think the opposite of fate for the future is?

opposite would be just free will. Your future is whatever you make of it Annie.

when you say free will, you mean absolute free will?

What do you mean by absolute? I mean we do things because we decide to do them and nothing is forcing us or pre-determining it. Your nick name I find inappropriate Annie.

I mean as you put it complete free will. there is not even a little of us that is predetermined? if not then why are some people just talented at certain things?

aww I spent all night looking for what ecr called me. let me guess you want me to change it.

Changing it would be appropriate. People have talents out of nature. It's something we're born with. We're all different in our own ways. Gnite though lol.

[Derek]

I think "fate" is the thing that allows you to meet the woman of your dreams, for example, but free will is what you do after you meet her.  So don't screw it up

Well said. What part of the keystone are you from?

[Derek]

An excerpt from Consolation of Philosophy by Boethius
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/con-phil.html

I highly recommend reading it.  Fate and Providence are not the same thing, but stand opposite to each other, very similar to Spengler's destiny vs. causality.

Man I'm so out of the loop. I've forgotten alot of Boethius.