Santorum rears his ugly head......

[Derek]

Ugly? that's a bit misleading and biased. Why the insult?

[Derek]

He was dead on with his polygamy, incest comment to a degree. Yes homosexuality is different but he was asking; where do you draw the line? Unfortunately, the media drug him through the mud. I was very proud to have Santorum represent me in Washington D.C.

[Derek]

He was dead on with his polygamy, incest comment to a degree. Yes homosexuality is different but he was asking; where do you draw the line? Unfortunately, the media drug him through the mud. I was very proud to have Santorum represent me in Washington D.C.

Yes, but theres the thing; you said homosexuality is 'different'; Santorum could not bring himself to make that differentiation - he lumped them in with the 'slippery slope' regulars like polygamy, incest etc.

'The Family'; I hate that, I hate it when certain politicians use that phrase because you know what it infers; married mother and father and the kids. The only time western civilisation has got close to the 'mum dad and 2.4 kids' exclusive family unit was in the 50's boom. Anyone who thinks that's the ideal model for raising a family or in ignorance thinks that was the only family unit throughout history shows a crass lack of respect for modern family units and little historical understanding of past family units and extended family units.

'Kids need a mother and a father...um...preferably married...and preferably the natural parents'

Except prior to the war when working class families lived together. Then kids had a mother but maybe not a father, or their grandparent looked after them, or their sister did, or their mother who they thought was their sister did, or it was an aunt. Or it was the whole family or even friends who were as good as family. And if your family had money it was a procession of maids and nannies who looked after you until you were old enough to be packed off to residential school until you were eighteen.

Instead he and others like him obsess over what parents do in bed, or whether or not they are married. And he's stuck up two fingers to the families that come in all shapes and sizes and bring up their kids well.

I don't think Santorum wants to know what people do in bed. He was referring to each of the categories we're mentioning though. He saw them as a slippery slope. For example, you take away school prayers and eventually you won't be allowed to say Under God either.

[Derek]

Remember how Bush and the GOP congress were so fiscally conservative?

Seriously........I mean Bush and the GOP Congress spent like drunken sailors.......and even when the GOP wasn't in charge Bush never became fiscally conservative.

I'm not a W hater by any means but let's be honest about his fiscal actions.

Me too. Bush should've advocated the cutting of alot of programs to compensate for Iraq.

[Derek]

Bush was a liberal his last year or 2 in office as I suspect he was becoming more pragmatic. The bailouts did need to happen unfortunately but the reasons as to why and how the bailouts were done is a different story.

[Derek]

Bush was a liberal his last year or 2 in office as I suspect he was becoming more pragmatic.

What about the expansion of Medicare with Part D and expanding federal control of schools with No Child Left Behind?  Or his failed immigration reform bill of 2005 and his support of amnesty? That's some fairly liberal stuff from earlier in his presidency.

Yes yes and yes you are correct lol. I was thinking more about the bailouts but yes. If you are conservative on immigration, then there is only one way to do it and Arizona just did it. No Child Left Behind my teachers hated that and there are parts of it that I do like but what this country needs is school vouchers to help parents rather than unions to help teachers who are unqualified. Medicare D was a waste of money and time but my grandparents who made a ton of money benefited from that with all the taxes they paid over the years. Well said NM.

[Derek]

Ugly? that's a bit misleading and biased. Why the insult?

Why don't you report Grumpy to the moderators then? I'm sure they would just love to hear your case.

That only works if you're a democrat.