2022 Michigan CNN RV Poll: Whitmer+14 (55-41); 2024 Michigan CNN RV Poll: Trump+10 (50-40) (user search)
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Question: With this in mind, would Trump actually take Michigan by double digits if the election were today?
#1
I believe Trump would take Michigan by double digits if the election were today
 
#2
I believe Trump would take Michigan by high single digits if the election were today
 
#3
I believe Trump would take Michigan by around 3 to 5 points if the election were today
 
#4
I believe Trump would take Michigan by around 1 to 3 points if the election were today
 
#5
I believe Trump would take Michigan by <1 if the election were today
 
#6
I believe Trump would not take Michigan
 
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Author Topic: 2022 Michigan CNN RV Poll: Whitmer+14 (55-41); 2024 Michigan CNN RV Poll: Trump+10 (50-40)  (Read 828 times)
IndianAmericanRepublican
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« on: December 11, 2023, 11:32:58 AM »

I would've never expected to see such a poll today!
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2023, 02:50:01 PM »

I'm not sure what this thread is supposed to convey, but there's not much reason to compare a poll 11 months out from the election from one that I believe was literally in Sept/Oct of election year.

(The LV in that poll was also much lower IIRC)

in reply to you and Birdish: this is why I included "if the election were today" as a qualifier
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2023, 06:45:35 PM »

You can't really compare polls 11 months from an election to those a few weeks before an election.

At this point in 2021 Craig was polling competitively against Whitmer. He didn't even end up nominated.

Indeed, this is why I added the qualifier "if the election was today." With that being said, two registered voter polls of the same state from the same pollster is a much more appropriate Apples-To-Apples comparison than using 2022 or 2023 results.

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2023, 11:16:04 PM »

Something generally smells really off with these polls; this poll requires too many people who voted not only for Whitmer but straight ticket Dem in 2022 to suddenly flip to Trump. I can def buy there will be a notable handful of Whitmer - Trump voters, but not this many, and I also don't buy voters who didn't vote in 2022 break for Trump by over a 2-1 margin.

I can buy it. It used to be that Republicans were the higher propensity voters (mainly college educated whites) who showed up in the midterms, but now that has reversed. So it seems midterms and off-year elections now favor Democrats, while presidential elections (especially with Trump on the ballot) favor Republicans.

It should be noted that in the NE-01 special election in June 28, 2022, Republicans did a good bit worse (with lower turnout in the special) than they did on November 8, 2022 (with higher turnout in the general).

It also should be noted that in that special election involving Pat Ryan and Marc Molinaro, Republicans did better in the same district boundaries in the general (better with the higher turnout on Nov 8 2022 than in the lower turnout in Aug 23 2022)

Same thing was true in 2018 and 2020. For instance, take a look at the PA-18 special results in 2018 vs the higher turnout general results. Take a look at AZ-08 special 2018 vs AZ-08 general 2018.

There are some exceptions such as GA-06 special summer 2017 vs general Nov 2018. But usually higher turnout has benefited R's.

Oh and if I recall correctly, Mike Garcia in CA-25 (previous district lines) actually did a bit worse on Nov 2020 than he did in the special earlier in that year, but many were saying he was a goner in the general because of the higher turnout and he ended up outperforming expectations!
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