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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
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E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« on: August 14, 2021, 04:44:00 PM »


Not exactly; the North Vietnamese had tanks and aircraft.

Also "Not exactly," the South Vietnamese held out for about a year and a half after American withdrawal. Afghanistan will be 100% Taliban held by year end, and they never held 100% of Afghanistan in the 90s.

Well that remains to be seen, I can certainly see some groups in the country not submitting willingly.


Is this still "remains to be seen?" The areas of Afghanistan most hostile or dubious to the Taliban in the 90s are already under their control.

Its almost certainly done but this version of the Taliban is relatively more multi-ethnic and the divide seems more based on density ala the Communist version of Afghanistan.

I see the global political realignment has not spared Afghanistan.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2021, 08:44:11 PM »

My dad told me a lot about how his dad fought for the Nationalists against the Communists during the Chinese Civil War, and how the Nationalist army was vastly superior in numbers, and were supplied with weapons and food from the US. The Nationalists then proved to be so cartoonishly corrupt that the US gave up on them, and then they fell within less than two years. Entire divisions simply surrendered to the Communists without a shot fired. To me, it's watching the exact same thing at 10X speed.

Except there's no Taiwan sadly.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2021, 01:59:05 PM »



Scrambling to escape from a band of cave dwelling troglodytes wasn't my idea of "being back in the game."

It's funny to see pro Trump "populists" talking like this as if Biden wasnt seeing Trumps policy to completion. As much as the neocons suck, they have been consistent in their fantasies of a permanent US military presence in Afghanistan in defiance of the popular will.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2021, 03:48:36 PM »

This is so heartbreaking to me. Biden campaigned as a moderate but on this issue he tried to pander to the anti-war left too much and rushed America's withdrawal from Afghanistan. This is so embarrassing, an unmitigated disaster.

One thing is clear though, the Afghan "army" are some of the the most useless army ever.

Biden didnt end the war because of DSA and left wing podcasters calling him an imperialist murderer. Normie Democrats such as unionized schoolteachers and black church ladies oppose the war now or at the very least could care less.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2021, 12:23:02 AM »

It's been overshadowed by the Covid pandemic, but there's been many geopolitical developments the past year including Armenia being pushed out of Nagorno-Karabakh by Azerbaijan, Ethiopia falling into civil war, and now this.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2021, 03:32:02 AM »



This is somehow a morbid callback to the 9/11 jumpers for me.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2021, 01:14:25 AM »

I hope that once the last plane is evacuated from Kabul that we de facto recognize the Panshjir enclave and ideally even enforce a 1990s Iraq type No Fly Zone around that area.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2021, 12:30:41 AM »

Sad news, though it may be possible that there will be further guerrilla activity in the more remote regions of Panjshir.
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