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H. Ross Peron
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Junior Chimp
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« on: May 10, 2014, 12:41:02 AM »

Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Lincoln were all deists/theistic rationalists while the Adamses and Taft were Unitarians.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 11:48:27 PM »

Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Lincoln were all deists/theistic rationalists while the Adamses and Taft were Unitarians.

Washington was either a Baptist or an Anglican.

Obligatory Washington was a firm Christian post (and history tends to agree with me on this one)

Both John Remsberg and Gregg Frazier (the latter of whom teaches at a Christian college) disagrees with you on this one: http://infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/
http://www.amazon.com/The-Religious-Beliefs-Americas-Founders/dp/0700618457

Its true he nominally was an Episcopalian church member all his life, so not sure where the Baptist part comes from.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2014, 12:37:29 AM »

Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Lincoln were all deists/theistic rationalists while the Adamses and Taft were Unitarians.

Washington was either a Baptist or an Anglican.

Obligatory Washington was a firm Christian post (and history tends to agree with me on this one)

Both John Remsberg and Gregg Frazier (the latter of whom teaches at a Christian college) disagrees with you on this one: http://infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/
http://www.amazon.com/The-Religious-Beliefs-Americas-Founders/dp/0700618457

Its true he nominally was an Episcopalian church member all his life, so not sure where the Baptist part comes from.

This is strange, you are the second Democrat I've agreed with tonight (at least I agree with you on Washington) Cheesy

It does seem pretty clear that Washington was an Episcopal.

It seems like some people either think that the Founding Fathers were all holy rollers or non-Christian in their beliefs, when in reality the picture is muddier. I think that some of the Founding Fathers were clearly devout Christian (Hamilton, at least later in life), while others were deists (Jefferson, Franklin).

I thought this Encyclopaedia Britannica article summed up things on the subject nicely.

Thomas Paine may have been the only atheist among the Founding Father's but that's still a better ratio than atheists have today with Kyrsten Sinema being the only without a religion. Almost every member of Congress is an Abramhamist, although there are a few Hindus and Buddhists. I suppose there could be some that identify as being Jewish for cultural reasons but not religious reasons.

Tom Paine was a Deist, not an atheist.
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H. Ross Peron
General Mung Beans
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,401
Korea, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -1.91

« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2014, 06:48:49 PM »

Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Lincoln were all deists/theistic rationalists while the Adamses and Taft were Unitarians.

Washington was either a Baptist or an Anglican.

Obligatory Washington was a firm Christian post (and history tends to agree with me on this one)

Both John Remsberg and Gregg Frazier (the latter of whom teaches at a Christian college) disagrees with you on this one: http://infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/
http://www.amazon.com/The-Religious-Beliefs-Americas-Founders/dp/0700618457

Its true he nominally was an Episcopalian church member all his life, so not sure where the Baptist part comes from.

This is strange, you are the second Democrat I've agreed with tonight (at least I agree with you on Washington) Cheesy

It does seem pretty clear that Washington was an Episcopal.

It seems like some people either think that the Founding Fathers were all holy rollers or non-Christian in their beliefs, when in reality the picture is muddier. I think that some of the Founding Fathers were clearly devout Christian (Hamilton, at least later in life), while others were deists (Jefferson, Franklin).

I thought this Encyclopaedia Britannica article summed up things on the subject nicely.

Thomas Paine may have been the only atheist among the Founding Father's but that's still a better ratio than atheists have today with Kyrsten Sinema being the only without a religion. Almost every member of Congress is an Abramhamist, although there are a few Hindus and Buddhists. I suppose there could be some that identify as being Jewish for cultural reasons but not religious reasons.

Perfect representation probably won't happen in America when only 535 congressmen and senators speak for 310 million people on Capitol Hill.

20% of Americans don't have a religion.
0.2% of Congress doesn't have a religion.

That's some piss poor representation there.
20% seems kinda high. Where did you get those numbers?

If you include everybody without formal religious affiliation and the indifferent its pretty accurate IMO.
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