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Question: Should the moderation infraction type 'excessive hyperbole' exist?
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Yes, but it should be used rarely
 
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No
 
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No - it is far too vague
 
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« on: May 17, 2020, 09:05:32 AM »

I think really bad cases of excessive hyperboles can be covered by simple "trolling".
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2020, 09:28:00 AM »

The moderators on here are borderline fascists and pseudo-Nazis/Stalinists anyway, the regulations are too extreme and strict.

Tender can't post every picture he likes = Nazism and Stalinist combined.

You are a modern day Andrey Sakharov and will, one day, have a prestigious human rights award named after yourself.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2020, 12:27:15 PM »

Comparing this place to a gulag is really insulting to the memory of millions who actually suffered in that hell on earth. It doesn't bother me personally, since, as Virginia rightly put it, certain things are just so absurd to be taken seriously, especially on the web, but I hope you're more careful with your words in real life, because hearing it may actually hurt somebody.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2020, 02:58:39 PM »

Comparing this place to a gulag is really insulting to the memory of millions who actually suffered in that hell on earth. It doesn't bother me personally, since, as Virginia rightly put it, certain things are just so absurd to be taken seriously, especially on the web, but I hope you're more careful with your words in real life, because hearing it may actually hurt somebody.

I don’t use such words in real life.

I only use it for haters on here.

It's good you don't s**tpost in RL. Some people sadly can't help themselves.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2020, 04:16:55 PM »

It, along with trolling, should be removed as a category, and I have said so in the past.

So, then how exactly are the moderators supposed to regulate bad content? We can’t make it even harder for bad content to be infracted.

Just because you personally think content is "bad" (and let's be real, you really just mean content you disagree with), doesn't mean it's actually bad and needs to be removed.

That's true. I wouldn't want S019 anywhere near moderating tools.
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 06:58:02 PM »

It, along with trolling, should be removed as a category, and I have said so in the past.

So, then how exactly are the moderators supposed to regulate bad content? We can’t make it even harder for bad content to be infracted.

They could change your password.

This is quite frankly a troll suggestion, and as such I don't need to provide any further comment

Sorry to hear this will be your last comment on the forum, but it is for the best.

RIP
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2020, 06:04:09 AM »

It, along with trolling, should be removed as a category, and I have said so in the past.

So, then how exactly are the moderators supposed to regulate bad content? We can’t make it even harder for bad content to be infracted.

Just because you personally think content is "bad" (and let's be real, you really just mean content you disagree with), doesn't mean it's actually bad and needs to be removed.

That's true. I wouldn't want S019 anywhere near moderating tools.

I don't want him anywhere near the Post button.

Surprised why people hate me, when people like Yellowhammer are far worse, but whatever...

People don't "hate" you. They're just annoyed with your behavior,
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2020, 05:26:23 PM »
« Edited: May 23, 2020, 05:30:21 PM by Inspector Clay is dead, murdered »

It, along with trolling, should be removed as a category, and I have said so in the past.

So, then how exactly are the moderators supposed to regulate bad content? We can’t make it even harder for bad content to be infracted.

Just because you personally think content is "bad" (and let's be real, you really just mean content you disagree with), doesn't mean it's actually bad and needs to be removed.

That's true. I wouldn't want S019 anywhere near moderating tools.

I don't want him anywhere near the Post button.

Surprised why people hate me, when people like Yellowhammer are far worse, but whatever...

YH is an outright chad and the hate he gets is among the most unmerited in the forum. He does not use bigoted language. He stays polite. He simply expresses views that are very different than yours, and you for whatever reason cannot accept that.

For the record, I also disagree with YH on certain issues. I think his stance on the Confederacy is unmerited and wrong, and that if it is truly liberty he seeks to focus on, the American Revolution or the Texas Revolution are far better exemplars of those principles. I think he takes a slanted and ignoble view of the values that America still stands for today, and I think his refusal to fully align himself with the Republican Party, despite it being a far better representation of the principles that I believe we both stand for, is also foolish and stuck in the past. But do I hate him for any of that? No, because mere disagreement is not a cause for hatred, when that disagreement is not truly evil (ie, being a Communist). It's a lesson most of this forum could stand to learn. A hundred more posters like Dule, lfromnj, and YH would make this forum an infinitely better place.

Dule and lfromnj does not deserve to be thrown into the same bad as YH.

And if you're saying that being a communist automatically makes one "truly evil", then having strong pro-Confederate sympathies, which, whether you admit it or not, is essentially being on the side of the people who waged bloody a war in order to secure their right to own other people, is truly evil too. Would anyone believe a guy saying he'd be rooting for the Axis powers during the WW2 that he's not essentially pro-Nazi?
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2020, 02:56:43 PM »

I don't know, but Haley/Ryan should definitely be moderated for his use of the R-NC avatar, tricking me into reading his posts by making me think I'm about to enjoy another long-winded historical treatment by Yankee.

I've been having the exact same problem, and had considered voicing my concerns. You are far more polite than I would have been, so thank you.

I don't know, but Haley/Ryan should definitely be moderated for his use of the R-NC avatar, tricking me into reading his posts by making me think I'm about to enjoy another long-winded historical treatment by Yankee.

Well you could just read his username.

That's not how any of this works.

Avatars is how we distinguish people here, and by using a R-NC avatar Haley/Ryan is deceiving us and casting mud on an esteemed member of the community.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2020, 08:36:21 AM »

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

That's the funny part, because communism, as envisioned in the Marx's writings, is hardly "inherently evil", unlike Nazism or the idea of owning other people. Marx didn't himself really advocate revolution, believing the communist society will evolve naturally when capitalism reaches its' peak. His ideas are something that can be disagreed with, but can't be objectionably described as "inherently evil", and many of his observations broadened our horizons on the field of economics and social studies and retains. You can easily meet people ideologically far from communism that respects him as a great economist and political philosopher.

As of the "communist" countries that we've subsequently seen emerging, they were essentially a perversion of Marx's findings. For example, many viewed treated Lenin's "revolution" as a total folly, since establishing communism in a country primarily made up of peasants and of little level of industrialization directly contradicted Marx (not to mention the "October Revolution" was not a revolution to begin with, but a classical coup d'etat).

Furthermore, there's no such thing as one "unified" variant of communism. It has a number of currents, some coming closer to democratic socialism, even social democracy, and some that degenerated into pretty terrible movements.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2020, 02:11:55 PM »

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

That's the funny part, because communism, as envisioned in the Marx's writings, is hardly "inherently evil", unlike Nazism or the idea of owning other people. Marx didn't himself really advocate revolution, believing the communist society will evolve naturally when capitalism reaches its' peak. His ideas are something that can be disagreed with, but can't be objectionably described as "inherently evil", and many of his observations broadened our horizons on the field of economics and social studies and retains. You can easily meet people ideologically far from communism that respects him as a great economist and political philosopher.

As of the "communist" countries that we've subsequently seen emerging, they were essentially a perversion of Marx's findings. For example, many viewed treated Lenin's "revolution" as a total folly, since establishing communism in a country primarily made up of peasants and of little level of industrialization directly contradicted Marx (not to mention the "October Revolution" was not a revolution to begin with, but a classical coup d'etat).

Furthermore, there's no such thing as one "unified" variant of communism. It has a number of currents, some coming closer to democratic socialism, even social democracy, and some that degenerated into pretty terrible movements.

Talk about excessive hyperbole.

Quote from: Napoleon of "Animal Farm"
All animals are equal.

But some are more equal than others.

Are you actually trying to argue with someone who lives in a post-communist nation by misappropriating Orwell?



I really like the irony of Fuzzy quoting a leftist writer.
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2020, 02:48:23 PM »

Fuzzy’s post and nickname provides evidence that being born before the invention of the television and the advent of talkies does not guarantee one to be well-read.

The post just before me represents one of the pettiest and vindictive personal attacks I've seen in a while.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2020, 02:07:10 PM »

When it's used against me in an utterly ridiculous way, I take it to heart that the option was created as a tool to target certain posters.  


Fuzzy, you're not getting moderated that frequently. But you do have a point, I'm a biased mod. Biased because I largely let you get away with s**tposting I'd infract somebody else for.

I'm sure my unprofessional bias offends your basic sense of justice and consistency.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2020, 05:55:12 PM »

I’m so confused at the rage in this thread.

literally what is going on

This is how trying to get a feedback from the community usually ends up.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2020, 05:31:55 AM »

I don't think I ever infracted any posts for "excessive hyperbole" when I was a mod.  Seemed like more of a punchline than an actual reason to infract a post.


I feel it's redundant to have this option, since really bad cases of "excessive hyperbole" can be easily solved as trolling.
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