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« on: May 08, 2019, 07:00:55 PM »

It does illustrate the trust gap between the U.S. and the rest of the world: the former's constantly shifting its foreign policy, frequently from one extreme to the other.

Also, while as urutzizu rightly pointed out the U.S. moves have very bad effects on the Iranian economy, it won't weaken the regime, it'll accomplish the very opposite, like the enmity from Washington actually tightened Castro's grip over Cuba (for which reason Fidel was lukewarm, to say the least, about Obama's thaw). But it's convenient for the neocons to have a perpetual enemy like Iran, even though they're essentially doing Saudis bidding, as Tehran and Rihyad competed for the influence in the region. Saudis remains far bigger threat to the world than Iran, exporting their toxic brand of fanatical Islam everywhere, propping up terrorists around the world and destabilizing the region. Given all this, it's no wonder Tehran wants to have nukes (because let's not kid ourselves, it's not about Israel as some still claims. Iran wouldn't fire its nukes on Israel and the other way around. It's about the U.S. and the Saudis.)
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Kalwejt
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2019, 03:11:50 PM »

This is probably Trump's biggest foreign blunder and will take decades to repair. Of course, the best thing would be if the Iranian people overthrow the regime, but I don't see this happening any time soon.

They already had an elected leader, but then America overthrew the democratically elected regime and installed the Shah, so in reality, it's not hard to see who was the cause of everything that has happened since.

President of Iran is not a leader. He only wields as much power as the Supreme Leader, the ultimate authority in every area, allows him to have.
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Kalwejt
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2019, 05:14:07 PM »

This is probably Trump's biggest foreign blunder and will take decades to repair. Of course, the best thing would be if the Iranian people overthrow the regime, but I don't see this happening any time soon.

They already had an elected leader, but then America overthrew the democratically elected regime and installed the Shah, so in reality, it's not hard to see who was the cause of everything that has happened since.

President of Iran is not a leader. He only wields as much power as the Supreme Leader, the ultimate authority in every area, allows him to have.

I think he's talking about Mosaddegh.

I'm a dumbass who should've picked up the distinction between "had" and "have".
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2019, 05:24:39 PM »

Our invasion of Iraq versus North Korea not being invaded shows that we only invade countries that don't really have WMD.

Actually I don't think the U.S. would've attacked North Korea if they were known not to have nuclear capabilities. Back in 1994, during the showdown, Clinton did briefly consider a military action, but changed his mind upon being advised by the military that while the U.S. and its allies would be victorious eventually, there's no way even a limited action wouldn't have escalated into a full-blown conflict in the peninsula, resulting in at least 100,000 American soldiers dead, not to mention millions of South Koreans and economic ruin. And this was when North Korea was actually isolated.

The same would probably go for Iran. Even with the regime's collapse, the U.S. would be locked in a bitter guerrilla war in a country that suits such kind of warfare perfectly (anyone claiming opponents of the regime would welcome U.S. troops as liberators is obviously a moron). So we're going to see serious, but indirect action, which, as pointed out above, may do harm to the state's economy in short term, but won't dislodge the regime.

It's kind of Orwellian that the extremists on both sides essentially are sustaining each other.
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