UK General Discussion Thread: mayy lmao

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An interesting character for sure. RIP.

Following the 2015 general election, four MPs (Kaufman, Meacher, Skinner and Clarke) were tied for the longest continuous service with all having first been elected in 1970. Two of those have since passed away (Meacher of course being the other).

It seems random when the MPs, taking seats on the same day, are being sworn-in. U.S. House uses alphabetical order, but since Kaufman was after Clarke, it must not be a case.

Is there a tie-breaker or just "you snooze you lose?"

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According the Theresa May, the SNP have a "tunnel-vision nationalism, which focuses only on independence at any cost, sells Scotland short".

Pot, there is a kettle I would like to introduce you to.

Given the party was created with the aim of securing Scottish independence... yeah, so what?

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According the Theresa May, the SNP have a "tunnel-vision nationalism, which focuses only on independence at any cost, sells Scotland short".

Pot, there is a kettle I would like to introduce you to.

Given the party was created with the aim of securing Scottish independence... yeah, so what?

I was mainly amused by the hypocrisy her saying that

Yes, it was both hypocritical as well as the other thing.

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Martin McGuinness, former Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland and former SF leader, died.

Northern Ireland system od dual executive is amazing. It'd be like having Trump as First Minister and Hillary as Deputy First Minister.

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How about the Europe will give the UK lenient conditions of leaving, if the UK pledges restore capital punishment for the UKIP members solely?

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YouGov poll asking people about things that could be reinstated following Brexit: http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/tl8kg6q3i9/InternalResults_170222_AfterBrexit_W.pdf

Death penalty at 36% support...must be the lowest ever, surely?

Wow, maybe I've been out of touch with this issue, but I can't remember a poll with majority against death penalty.

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Foot is outfooted.

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TIL Gerald Kaufman wrote a book about, of all things, the 1944 Technicolor classic Meet Me in St. Louis.

What a legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujl0HW7B8nc

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Given Labour's defeat is very likely, I really hope they will finally toss Corbyn overboard after.

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I don't think there is a chance that the Tories will win less than 350, much less actually lose their majority. Sad, really the state of Corbyn-era labour

There's been a lot of Michael Foot-Jeremy Corbyn comparisons, but I don't think these are fair. Foot was truly laboring under a curse and it's actually to his credit the Labour haven't imploded with Benn trolling from the left and SDP leaving on the right.

Corbyn? Oh come on, dude, there's no rational reason for Labour to do so poorly other than having a s**ty leader.

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WE NEED OUR HERO TO RETURN

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Dennis Skinner will be the Father of the House after this election. Haha

Which reminds me: will the Tories finally launch another coup attempt against Bercow following the election?

I'm reminded because the Father of the House oversees speakership elections.

Assuming Bercow is actually outset what's next for him? The backbenches? Seems tricky, given once a Speaker, former or not, you are no longer member of any party. Immediate kick upstairs to the Lords?

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If Bercow retired, can we have him as a moderator on this forum? He'd be an excellent pick.

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Electing a Labourite Speaker means one less Labour MP to worry about

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Forgive me if there's a really obvious example that I'm blanking on, but has any country in the world that has a parliamentary system ever had a female prime minister and female leader of the opposition at the same time?

Poland during 2015 (if it counts, given there is no real leader of opposition figure).

We've never had an "official opposition", like there's in the UK, though it's more and more frequent to reefer to a leader of largest nongovernmental party as "leader of the opposition". We don't have shadow cabinets. PO tried it in 2005 and it was a fail.

Between 2007 and 2015 Kaczyński was an undisputed leader of the opposition, as Miller between 1997 and 2001. There was a strange situation between 2001 and 2005, as every other party than SLD was a small one, so there was no one "main opposition". Kind of like Canada after 1993 election.

PO is still a main opposition, if only for having a largest number of seat. It appeared for a while Petru might overtake PO in the polls permanently, becoming a main competition to PiS, but he f**ked it up.


If we were to follow the British model, the following would be a list of Leaders of the Opposition post-1991.

1991-1992: Tadeusz Mazowiecki (Democratic Union)
1992-1993: Aleksander Kwaśniewski (Democratic Left Alliance)
1993-1995: Tadeusz Mazowiecki (Democratic Union/Freedom Union)
1995-1997: Leszek Balcerowicz (Freedom Union)
1997-2001: Leszek Miller (Democratic Left Alliance)
2001-2003: Maciej Płażyński (Civic Platform)
2003-2007: Donald Tusk (Civil Platform)
2007-2015: Jarosław Kaczyński (Law and Justice)
2015-2016: Ewa Kopacz (Civic Platform)
2016-now: Grzegorz Schetyna (Civic Platform)

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RIP the old thread. FF.

New thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=265997.0