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« on: May 15, 2024, 08:13:42 AM »


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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2024, 08:30:41 AM »
« Edited: May 15, 2024, 08:47:47 AM by Open Source Intelligence »

But we're the crazy ones for saying greed is fueling the affordability crisis.

Most of the cost tied up in a drink is in all the overhead, infrastructure, and service. The actual liquid is inexpensive. That's why you can get a 2-liter at the grocery cheaper than a 20 fluid ounce (about a half-liter) at the gas station: the inexpensiveness of the liquid means they can shift prices where they charge more for the 20 fluid ounce version because people are willing to pay more for it due to its greater portability compared to the 2-liter even though from a materials perspective the 2-liter being cheaper is ludicrous. And that's part of why Coca Cola and PepsiCo are filthy rich.

I've always thought from an environmental perspective the best thing you could do is sell the syrup directly to customers as they do to restaurants and gas stations and everyone makes their own soda with their water (be a higher-quality version of Kool-Aid, do kids still make Kool-Aid anymore?). You would get rid of the bottling plant expense and it would also get rid of all these single-use plastics. However, the reason that doesn't happen is it would probably kill these companies' profit margins.

I think this is more about general health of the restaurant business being poor instead of sodas. I feel like restaurants have never really recovered from Covid, and food price inflation for what they buy has hardly been great for them. Red Lobster for example are on the verge of bankruptcy and unexpectedly closed 80 franchise locations nationally on Monday with no warning.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2024, 11:13:32 AM »

If you're having a 20 oz soda you probably shouldn't be getting the free refill. The state shouldn't ban it, but that's not what's happening here.

Was talking about bottles and using the analogy of them to the cost of 2-liters to show that soda price is not based on quantity.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2024, 01:09:04 PM »

That doesn't explain why the McChicken I ordered when I was blasted in college is now almost 4 times as much as it was before. That doesn't explain why McDonald's has doubled their average prices. That's not inflation - that's price gouging.

That McDonald's used to pay $6/hour and now they're having to advertise for workers at $15/hour. And they're still understaffed.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2024, 06:04:37 AM »

The stupidity about this is that sodas cost literally next to nothing. The cup is about as expensive as the syrup and water mix to create it. It's why McDonald's has historically lost money on every single sandwich or french fries they've sold, because they make the money up selling Coke at nearly a 1000% markup from its actual cost. That's been their business model for over half a century.

I had a guy that donated a lot of money to my party "rich off the internet" talk about some work he'd done in the energy drink industry where there's a thousand items out there and said the business model is all based off marketing to become a successful niche-level product, and then sell for a fortune to either Coke or Pepsi who buy out all these startups just to not lose market share.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2024, 11:21:41 AM »


Uh, even pretty serious heavyweights will be, as they say, feeling the effects by the time they get to ten pints.

Thus the losing count.

"...but after 10 shots of Jose Cuervo...

...I lost count and started counting again."

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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2024, 12:09:23 PM »

Personally McDonalds is a once in awhile stop and I never sit down to eat so refills don't apply to me. But I can't imagine getting a refill of the drink because it usually last me a few hours. With drive thru and to go orders I'm guessing that free refills are profitable anymore. Plus you have the app where you can place an order and pick it up which means even fewer sit down diners.

I went a very long time without eating there. Now I have small kids...
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