This Site's View on Same-Sex Marriage

[Josh/Devilman88]

I say if gay people want to get married then move to canada

[Josh/Devilman88]

I'm not in "favor" of any of these options. we will either have marriage or civil unions, unions are better. The only reason gays want to be married is to force society as a whole to accept thier actions, making them feel better about themselves.

So, the various benefits bestowed by marriage, like being able to go into the hospital emergency room in the event of such an emergency, has no bearing on the issue whatsoever?

I can't go see my best friend in the hospital emergency room, and me and him are like brothers... But you don't see me trying to change the law so it will fit how I like it.

[Josh/Devilman88]

I'm not in "favor" of any of these options. we will either have marriage or civil unions, unions are better. The only reason gays want to be married is to force society as a whole to accept thier actions, making them feel better about themselves.

So, the various benefits bestowed by marriage, like being able to go into the hospital emergency room in the event of such an emergency, has no bearing on the issue whatsoever?

I can't go see my best friend in the hospital emergency room, and me and him are like brothers... But you don't see me trying to change the law so it will fit how I like it.

That's not the point. He said the idea is that gays ONLY want to marry to feel better and force society to accept them, I say that that is not the case. Some homosexuals may want SSM for that reason, but many want the same benefits that is given to straight marriages recognized by law.

Oh ok, but like I said, they don't need to get married. Because it is wrong.. And I can prove it... Can two guy makes kids? No.

Now you might say so if the women can have kids she can't get married... No that is not the case, she could if she did not have problems. But two guy and two girls can't make kids..

[Josh/Devilman88]

I'm not in "favor" of any of these options. we will either have marriage or civil unions, unions are better. The only reason gays want to be married is to force society as a whole to accept thier actions, making them feel better about themselves.

So, the various benefits bestowed by marriage, like being able to go into the hospital emergency room in the event of such an emergency, has no bearing on the issue whatsoever?

I said civil unions were acceptable. As long as we give them a civil union that includes all of the benefits of marriage, then the argument will be voided. After that then the only argument they can make is that it's discriminatory to not give them marriage, and they will lose on that front every time because the American people don't buy that crap.

Personally, I think ALL government recognized marriage should be civil unions, since in reality that is what they really are. I can see no logical reason to have a seperate term for same-sex relationships.

I agree with that. I think "marriage" should be left up to religious groups. Unfortunately legal marriage is too embeded into the American psyche.

I don't like that Idea... Because not only will gay people be able to get married, 2 men and a women could or a man and his dog.

[Josh/Devilman88]

I'm not in "favor" of any of these options. we will either have marriage or civil unions, unions are better. The only reason gays want to be married is to force society as a whole to accept thier actions, making them feel better about themselves.

So, the various benefits bestowed by marriage, like being able to go into the hospital emergency room in the event of such an emergency, has no bearing on the issue whatsoever?

I can't go see my best friend in the hospital emergency room, and me and him are like brothers... But you don't see me trying to change the law so it will fit how I like it.

That's not the point. He said the idea is that gays ONLY want to marry to feel better and force society to accept them, I say that that is not the case. Some homosexuals may want SSM for that reason, but many want the same benefits that is given to straight marriages recognized by law.

Oh ok, but like I said, they don't need to get married. Because it is wrong.. And I can prove it... Can two guy makes kids? No.

Now you might say so if the women can have kids she can't get married... No that is not the case, she could if she did not have problems. But two guy and two girls can't make kids..

Once again the argument that marriage is for the purpose of having children - please stop defining the purpose and meaning of marriage for the rest of us. In many areas(not all though) homosexual couples can adopt(and in reality, only one has actual custody, so in the event of a breakup there is no visitation rights, though I find myself wondering if you would care about it in this kind of case) and those children normally end up fine. And yes, a lesbian couple can produce a child, though a little outside help is required, usually in the form of a sperm bank.

You get my point. What is marriage to you?

[Josh/Devilman88]

I'm not in "favor" of any of these options. we will either have marriage or civil unions, unions are better. The only reason gays want to be married is to force society as a whole to accept thier actions, making them feel better about themselves.

So, the various benefits bestowed by marriage, like being able to go into the hospital emergency room in the event of such an emergency, has no bearing on the issue whatsoever?

I can't go see my best friend in the hospital emergency room, and me and him are like brothers... But you don't see me trying to change the law so it will fit how I like it.

That's not the point. He said the idea is that gays ONLY want to marry to feel better and force society to accept them, I say that that is not the case. Some homosexuals may want SSM for that reason, but many want the same benefits that is given to straight marriages recognized by law.

Oh ok, but like I said, they don't need to get married. Because it is wrong.. And I can prove it... Can two guy makes kids? No.

Now you might say so if the women can have kids she can't get married... No that is not the case, she could if she did not have problems. But two guy and two girls can't make kids..

Once again the argument that marriage is for the purpose of having children - please stop defining the purpose and meaning of marriage for the rest of us. In many areas(not all though) homosexual couples can adopt(and in reality, only one has actual custody, so in the event of a breakup there is no visitation rights, though I find myself wondering if you would care about it in this kind of case) and those children normally end up fine. And yes, a lesbian couple can produce a child, though a little outside help is required, usually in the form of a sperm bank.

You get my point. What is marriage to you?

To me? Well, while I don't care if anyone else follows how I think a marriage should be(how mine will be one day I hope), here goes:

It is the ultimate bond of trust, sacrifice, and commitment between two people, and it should be considered sacred. Trust because they share their lives and safety, sacrifice because when you live with someone, are dedicated to them, you love them and you want to make them happy and thusly put their happiness first sometimes(generally, you should give as much as you receive), and commitment should be obvious. It also involves acceptance, you have to accept and love the person you marry for who he/she is, not try to make them something they are not. I don't think I can explain it better than that with text.

Thats a good way to say it, but what if someone felt that way about her mother or his father. Should they get married?

[Josh/Devilman88]

I'm not in "favor" of any of these options. we will either have marriage or civil unions, unions are better. The only reason gays want to be married is to force society as a whole to accept thier actions, making them feel better about themselves.

So, the various benefits bestowed by marriage, like being able to go into the hospital emergency room in the event of such an emergency, has no bearing on the issue whatsoever?

I can't go see my best friend in the hospital emergency room, and me and him are like brothers... But you don't see me trying to change the law so it will fit how I like it.

That's not the point. He said the idea is that gays ONLY want to marry to feel better and force society to accept them, I say that that is not the case. Some homosexuals may want SSM for that reason, but many want the same benefits that is given to straight marriages recognized by law.

Oh ok, but like I said, they don't need to get married. Because it is wrong.. And I can prove it... Can two guy makes kids? No.

Now you might say so if the women can have kids she can't get married... No that is not the case, she could if she did not have problems. But two guy and two girls can't make kids..

Once again the argument that marriage is for the purpose of having children - please stop defining the purpose and meaning of marriage for the rest of us. In many areas(not all though) homosexual couples can adopt(and in reality, only one has actual custody, so in the event of a breakup there is no visitation rights, though I find myself wondering if you would care about it in this kind of case) and those children normally end up fine. And yes, a lesbian couple can produce a child, though a little outside help is required, usually in the form of a sperm bank.

You get my point. What is marriage to you?

To me? Well, while I don't care if anyone else follows how I think a marriage should be(how mine will be one day I hope), here goes:

It is the ultimate bond of trust, sacrifice, and commitment between two people, and it should be considered sacred. Trust because they share their lives and safety, sacrifice because when you live with someone, are dedicated to them, you love them and you want to make them happy and thusly put their happiness first sometimes(generally, you should give as much as you receive), and commitment should be obvious. It also involves acceptance, you have to accept and love the person you marry for who he/she is, not try to make them something they are not. I don't think I can explain it better than that with text.

Thats a good way to say it, but what if someone felt that way about her mother or his father. Should they get married?

Well, first off, the parent would have to return that sentiment. Second, I don't think so, for a multitude of reasons. I don't think it would be possible to stop them from having a relationship of that nature, but government would likely not allow it. Inbreeding would be an issue, as it is detrimental(yes, I know this goes back to children being the purpose of marriage, but this isn't the only reason I don't think it should be allowed), and a multitude of wierd tax reasons could also be an issue. Let's also not forget that someone who falls in love with their parent is not likely psychologically stable, so it could be construed that they do not have the mental capacity to give consent for such a relationship.

But you said, if they love each other they can get married. I'm just messing with you. But you see, If we let Gay people get married. Then people like that would wont it too. And before you know it there will be no marriage.

[Josh/Devilman88]

But you said, if they love each other they can get married. I'm just messing with you. But you see, If we let Gay people get married. Then people like that would wont it too. And before you know it there will be no marriage.

And, as I said, I don't think marriage is the government's business, so is this supposed to scare me?

But seriously, as I said, there is a much greater multitude of reasons(many of which are more logical and harder to argue against) to block incestuous relationships. I have serious doubts it will be a problem, and I doubt any judge would rule in favor of such a thing(especially at state supreme court and federal levels), and clearly no legislature would either.

Many years ago they thought the same thing with Gay marriages.

[Josh/Devilman88]

But you said, if they love each other they can get married. I'm just messing with you. But you see, If we let Gay people get married. Then people like that would wont it too. And before you know it there will be no marriage.

And, as I said, I don't think marriage is the government's business, so is this supposed to scare me?

But seriously, as I said, there is a much greater multitude of reasons(many of which are more logical and harder to argue against) to block incestuous relationships. I have serious doubts it will be a problem, and I doubt any judge would rule in favor of such a thing(especially at state supreme court and federal levels), and clearly no legislature would either.

Many years ago they thought the same thing with Gay marriages.

True. But incest is an entirely different animal.

So were Homosexuals

[Josh/Devilman88]

But you said, if they love each other they can get married. I'm just messing with you. But you see, If we let Gay people get married. Then people like that would wont it too. And before you know it there will be no marriage.

And, as I said, I don't think marriage is the government's business, so is this supposed to scare me?

But seriously, as I said, there is a much greater multitude of reasons(many of which are more logical and harder to argue against) to block incestuous relationships. I have serious doubts it will be a problem, and I doubt any judge would rule in favor of such a thing(especially at state supreme court and federal levels), and clearly no legislature would either.

Many years ago they thought the same thing with Gay marriages.

True. But incest is an entirely different animal.

So were Homosexuals

Arguing in circles won't do either of us any good. But you get my point - incest is not like homosexuality.

To me it is. They both are sick people. The both have problems up stairs. And they both in the eyes of God are wrong.

[Josh/Devilman88]

But you said, if they love each other they can get married. I'm just messing with you. But you see, If we let Gay people get married. Then people like that would wont it too. And before you know it there will be no marriage.

And, as I said, I don't think marriage is the government's business, so is this supposed to scare me?

But seriously, as I said, there is a much greater multitude of reasons(many of which are more logical and harder to argue against) to block incestuous relationships. I have serious doubts it will be a problem, and I doubt any judge would rule in favor of such a thing(especially at state supreme court and federal levels), and clearly no legislature would either.

Many years ago they thought the same thing with Gay marriages.

True. But incest is an entirely different animal.

So were Homosexuals

Arguing in circles won't do either of us any good. But you get my point - incest is not like homosexuality.

To me it is. They both are sick people. The both have problems up stairs. And they both in the eyes of God are wrong.

Well, that's a difference of opinion I suppose. Even if both are sicknesses, they are different sicknesses, and the law should treat them as such(one could argue that one is more harmful than the other). As far as God goes, got nothing against religion but law shouldn't be based on it.

I love reading your posts.

[Josh/Devilman88]

But you said, if they love each other they can get married. I'm just messing with you. But you see, If we let Gay people get married. Then people like that would wont it too. And before you know it there will be no marriage.

And, as I said, I don't think marriage is the government's business, so is this supposed to scare me?

But seriously, as I said, there is a much greater multitude of reasons(many of which are more logical and harder to argue against) to block incestuous relationships. I have serious doubts it will be a problem, and I doubt any judge would rule in favor of such a thing(especially at state supreme court and federal levels), and clearly no legislature would either.

Many years ago they thought the same thing with Gay marriages.

True. But incest is an entirely different animal.

So were Homosexuals

Arguing in circles won't do either of us any good. But you get my point - incest is not like homosexuality.

To me it is. They both are sick people. The both have problems up stairs. And they both in the eyes of God are wrong.

Well, that's a difference of opinion I suppose. Even if both are sicknesses, they are different sicknesses, and the law should treat them as such(one could argue that one is more harmful than the other). As far as God goes, got nothing against religion but law shouldn't be based on it.

I love reading your posts.

Thanks, I have fun writing them. Yours are fun to read too. I just don't understand why some people don't think debate is fun.

Haha, you are 10 times smarter then me. And plus I suck at grammer, and spelling.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Eh, while I value being intelligent I prefer common sense any day of the week.

Another thing I don't have

[Josh/Devilman88]

you too.

[Josh/Devilman88]

I agree with boss.. just let it be up to the states....