YAP - FOX NEWS AKA Republican NEWS

[ShapeShifter]

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

This poll shows that Kerry BETTER pick Edwards as the VP. I really would love to see Edwards get the VP slot. Kerry better not pick some nobody.

[ShapeShifter]

Give me a break with your FOX News rip.  They are different than CNN, CBS, NBS and ABS but that doesn't make them GOP news.  They report both sides, did you ever watch a Fox News debate show?  Watch Hannity and Colmes (a flaming liberal) and then turn to Larry King Live.  King pitches soft balls.  

Look at Clarke.  A booking on O'Reilly is known to sell books, but Clarke did not book on O'Reilly.  Why?  Cause his ridiculous assertions and his lies would be ripped to shreds piece by piece.  The mainstream media actually refuses to report the facts concerning Clarke and his contradicting statements.  They ignore facts if those facts get in the way of their story.   They have conviniently ignored Clarkes background interview he gave in 2002.  They act like it doesn't exist.  

Say this or that about Fox News,  but they report both sides of an issue.

I see you have been watching TOO much Fox News.

Okay,

A. If Clarke is lieing, why don't they prosecute him for lieing under oath? They did it for Martha.

B. The Background check thing was a SPIN. If you are part of an admin, of course you are going to SPIN the negative and highlight the POSITIVE.

C. O'Reily is a JOKE.

D. CNN and MSNBC do present both of the sides and may lean towards a liberal audience BUT for the love of me, they do not make it as OBVIOUS as Fox NEWS. Just call it REPUBLICAN/PRO-BUSH/ NEWS.

[ShapeShifter]

Foxnews has also updated its Bush approval rating on its site ....

DOWN TO 47% !!
Most of that is a drop in Independents


It seems to me that Fox has always had the biggest margins for Kerry/Edwards .    Other polls that ask about the whole ticket usually have  Bush fall a point when you say "Bush/Cheney" instead of just "Bush" and just "Kerry/Edwards" is one point better than just "Kerry" . But this Fox gives Kerry a four-point boost for picking Edwards.

Johnny Sunshine is very very powerful

Wow, I did not notice the approval rating. Typical of Fox News not to highlight the negatives for Bush.

[ShapeShifter]

Mark, even if he is a prick, if what he's saying is true, wouldn't you say those are some pretty serious allegations that should be dealt with? This is a guy who's worked under more than one president, and I doubt his number one concern is to get rich. Maybe he just wants to inform Americans about this issue.

Of this Nation.

Yes, but you are conveniently forgetting a word I used on multiple occasions...LIE!!!

This guy LIED at some point, so why should we listen to anything he has to say???

Why should Republicans want to listen to ANYTHING???

[ShapeShifter]

Mark, even if he is a prick, if what he's saying is true, wouldn't you say those are some pretty serious allegations that should be dealt with? This is a guy who's worked under more than one president, and I doubt his number one concern is to get rich. Maybe he just wants to inform Americans about this issue.

Of this Nation.

Yes, but you are conveniently forgetting a word I used on multiple occasions...LIE!!!

This guy LIED at some point, so why should we listen to anything he has to say???

Why should Republicans want to listen to ANYTHING???

Shapeshifter,

Another brilliant statement from you...did the guy lie at one point, yes or no? That's the real issue, and if you answer "no" then you're either not paying attention or you're simply too partisan to deal with reality.

It is OBVIOUS that the Republican focus is NOT on the substance of his allegations BUT rather on focusing to DISCREDIT him. Like I said, Republicans don't want to listen to anything that contradicts their view of their President.

[ShapeShifter]

Mark, even if he is a prick, if what he's saying is true, wouldn't you say those are some pretty serious allegations that should be dealt with? This is a guy who's worked under more than one president, and I doubt his number one concern is to get rich. Maybe he just wants to inform Americans about this issue.

Of this Nation.

Yes, but you are conveniently forgetting a word I used on multiple occasions...LIE!!!

This guy LIED at some point, so why should we listen to anything he has to say???

Why should Republicans want to listen to ANYTHING???

Shapeshifter,

Another brilliant statement from you...did the guy lie at one point, yes or no? That's the real issue, and if you answer "no" then you're either not paying attention or you're simply too partisan to deal with reality.

It is OBVIOUS that the Republican focus is NOT on the substance of his allegations BUT rather on focusing to DISCREDIT him. Like I said, Republicans don't want to listen to anything that contradicts their view of their President.

Shapeshifter,

The credibility of ANY witness in a hearing or investigation is absolutely essential. This witness has made CONTRADICTORY statements, so the substance of his allegations, no matter how serious, must be called into question, this is how it works in the real world outside of your politcal ideology.

I am sure, even if Clarke was found NOT to be lieing, It does not matter what he has to say. The point is Republicans only want to hear what they want to hear and spin spin spin. This issue is pointless. You are obviously PRO-Bush and I am obviously ANTI-Bush.

[ShapeShifter]

Mark, even if he is a prick, if what he's saying is true, wouldn't you say those are some pretty serious allegations that should be dealt with? This is a guy who's worked under more than one president, and I doubt his number one concern is to get rich. Maybe he just wants to inform Americans about this issue.

Of this Nation.

Yes, but you are conveniently forgetting a word I used on multiple occasions...LIE!!!

This guy LIED at some point, so why should we listen to anything he has to say???

Why should Republicans want to listen to ANYTHING???

Shapeshifter,

Another brilliant statement from you...did the guy lie at one point, yes or no? That's the real issue, and if you answer "no" then you're either not paying attention or you're simply too partisan to deal with reality.

It is OBVIOUS that the Republican focus is NOT on the substance of his allegations BUT rather on focusing to DISCREDIT him. Like I said, Republicans don't want to listen to anything that contradicts their view of their President.

Shapeshifter,

The credibility of ANY witness in a hearing or investigation is absolutely essential. This witness has made CONTRADICTORY statements, so the substance of his allegations, no matter how serious, must be called into question, this is how it works in the real world outside of your politcal ideology.

I am sure, even if Clarke was found NOT to be lieing, It does not matter what he has to say. The point is Republicans only want to hear what they want to hear and spin spin spin. This issue is pointless. You are obviously PRO-Bush and I am obviously ANTI-Bush.

Shapeshifter,

So let me get this straight...Clarke is lying, but you don't care because his message suits your political views? Nice attitude...

When did *I* said he was lying???

I stated that, If Clarke was proven NOT TO BE LIEING ...

Republicans WON'T care and look the other way ... and continue to try to discredit him.

I atleast admit to my bias perception. Your the one trying to pretend you are neutral. Just like FOX NEWS. They teach you republicans well.

[ShapeShifter]

Political bias is an issue for both us, obviously, however contrary to what you Democrats like to think, there are some things in life that are "ojectively true facts" and this is one of those cases. In terms of Clarke's statements, "A" cannot equal "B"

"true facts" - yea sure, can you honestly believe there is such a thing. You can always find envidence to prove much about anything. Like I said, this is pointless. I don't believe Clarke was lieing to the 9-11 commission. Atleast, he took some blame for it. Nothing which Bush has done. Just keeps exploiting 9-11 for his re-election bid.

[ShapeShifter]

Political bias is an issue for both us, obviously, however contrary to what you Democrats like to think, there are some things in life that are "ojectively true facts" and this is one of those cases. In terms of Clarke's statements, "A" cannot equal "B"

"true facts" - yea sure, can you honestly believe there is such a thing. You can always find envidence to prove much about anything. Like I said, this is pointless. I don't believe Clarke was lieing to the 9-11 commission. Atleast, he took some blame for it. Nothing which Bush has done. Just keeps exploiting 9-11 for his re-election bid.

Shapeshifter,

Well, let's get philosophical and mathematical for a second...You do believe that certain things are "objectively true" in certain situations, right? Completely hypothetical now...is there such a thing as an objective fact, yes or no?

This diverting from the real issue - but no, I don't believe in "objective" trues - it is all personal.

I believe Clarke might have not fully spoken out on the negatives in the past of Bush. But, I don't believe what Clarke said under oath was a lie. If it was a lie, what he said under oath, I think and believe that they should prosecute him if they so STRONGLY believe he was lieing. This is not the FIRST time that Bush and company has used this tactic of attacking the person's credibility.