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ChrisJG777
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« on: June 13, 2009, 06:39:37 PM »

obama is an extremist radical sociailist and bayh is just an old style democrat liberal

There's an object out there called a "dictionary", and I do believe you'll find it very useful in looking up the words 'socialist' and 'liberal', as neither of which mean what you think they do.
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ChrisJG777
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 08:57:31 AM »

obama is an extremist radical sociailist and bayh is just an old style democrat liberal

There's an object out there called a "dictionary", and I do believe you'll find it very useful in looking up the words 'socialist' and 'liberal', as neither of which mean what you think they do.

I know what they stand for.

1.  Take money from those who earn it by hard work and pass it out to those who are too lazy to work.
2.  Oppose business and corporations at all costs (except the abortion industry of course!)
3.  Promote the beleif that girls should be able to kill their children in the womb and have MAJOR SURGERY but require them to get at least a parents note in order to take a asprin at school.
4.  Pass out rubbers to children just coming of age so they don't get a disease.  Teach them that gay is a-ok and encourage them to try it.  Abstinance is a dumb old fashion idea even tho it stops pregnency and disease EVERY SINGLE TIME IT IS EMPLOYED. 
5.  Revise history and science teaching standards to scorn every mention of God or traditional values.  Blame the white race for everything bad that ever happened.
6.  Let criminals have all the guns they want but mock & punish law abiding citizens for owning guns
7.   Christmas is too Christian so get rid of it for kawanazaaa and for pagan wiccan solstace holidays
8.  Apologize to our enemies and bend over giving them whatever they want in exchange for peace. Get rid of the old fashion Patrick Henry ideas of give me liberty or give me death. 
9.   The people who fly planes into skyscrapers need to be listened to and understood not destroyed.
10.  Give criminals college educations and tv sets and game boys in prison.

I could go on but this is basically what liberals and socialists (and obama0 stand for.  You know opebo on here?  At least he admits these are his views.  the rest of them play games and pretend these are not their agenda items

Oh so wrong on all counts!  Just admit you don't know what they mean, because it's none of that complete rubbish you've just spouted there, I assure you.  Roll Eyes

Socialism for starters, is an economic philosophy in which it is believed that more or less all business should be run by the workers (in its simplest definition), who take the profits from those enterprises and share them up equally.  It's got nothing to do whatsoever with taxing people to oblivion or giving people something for nothing.  In fact most socialist believe that people who refuse to work shouldn't get anything back at all!  Look carefully at Obama's economic policies and any person with common sense will tell you it's not even close to socialism.  Just because he shows support for universal healthcare and workers rights, that does not make him the reincarnation of Lenin.

Next up, Liberalism.  Liberalism is the notion that the government shouldn't intefere in the personal and economic affairs of citizens, they favour "small government" so to speak- such is the definition of classical liberalism.  Liberalism has to be the most abused political term in American culture.  Most true liberals in America are very often referred to as "libertarians" over there, but most other people will see them as liberals.  Liberals are pro-capitalists who harbour a disdain towards authoritarian social policies.  In the economic sense most Republicans are liberals, but they tend not to be in the social sense.   Evan Bayh is not a liberal.  In European parlances at the very least he'd be seen as a centrist moderate-conservative (so, if he was British he'd be a Tory, or a member of the CDU if German, both parties are seen as the main conservative parties in their respective countries).

Most of what you listed has nothing to do with the general definitions and workings of these two ideologies.  In fact liberalism and socialism are economically incompatible!

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Socialists believe quite the opposite you'll find, take money from lazy rich people and give it to the hard working poor.  But that's a gross oversimplification.

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Abortion industry?  I won't even comment on that one.  Socialists tend to oppose industries who behave in an unethical manner, whilst praising those who treat workers well and are run by people with scruples.  Liberals on the other hand prefer not to interfere in the affairs of corporations and businesses.

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Now this is bollocks through and through.  I won't dignify this one with a rebuttal.

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You seriously expect everyone to resist giving in to their sexual urges?  If you can then good for you, but for everyone else contraceptives (condoms especially) should be available, as should education on safe sex.  Abstinence isn't for everyone, and getting everyone to practise it doesn't always work.  Furthermore, there is no proof whatsoever that liberals and socialists are trying to encourage people to be homosexuals, you can't choose your sexuality like you can a pair of socks.

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God and religion for starters, have no place in rational scientific discussion.  If you want to teach about God and traditions, do it in Religious Studies lessons, and even then, only teach about them, don't try to teach people to follow them if they don't want to.  Indoctrination has no place in the education system.  As for blaming white people for all the bad things that've happened, now that's just ridiculous full stop.

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Won't dignify with a rebuttal.

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This made me facepalm at how retarded some people can be.  Won't dignify with a rebuttal.

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I don't know where you got this from, but it is absolutely absurd.  Won't dignify.
 
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The people who flew the planes into the skyscrapers are already dead so this point is moot.

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Not even "hippie liberals" support giving prison inmates ridiculous luxuries.  As for education opportunities, the penal system really should be more about rehabilitation than punishment, for the most part, so people who are doing time for crimes like theft should be given a chance to make themselves an honest living once they get out, otherwise they'd just re-offend.  This does not necessarily apply to rapists, murderers and their likes though.


Of course, you're unlikely to come to your senses on any of these points, I thought I'd just post this in the highly unlikely even that you do decided to take notice of what I've written.  Roll Eyes
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ChrisJG777
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 10:16:06 AM »

Chris, of course rich people are lazy because they just get money out of their asses right?

Please point out the sentence where I even implied that much less said it.  Of course, now that you mentioned that, there are actually rich people out there who've "pulled money out of their asses", on the grounds that they've fallen upon ridiculously large inheritances.  Did they earn that money?  No.

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Income tax should not be unconstitutional on the grounds that most alternative tax systems tend to be undue burdens on lower income families and individuals.  Income taxes are actually amongst the fairer taxation systems, provided they're implemented properly, then lower earning people only need pay what they can and higher earners will pay what they should.  If you earn more you really should be putting that little bit extra back into society to compensate.
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