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Mechaman
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« on: June 13, 2009, 02:30:49 AM »
« edited: June 13, 2009, 05:55:19 AM by Mechaman »

Holy sh$t, was that a decent Sarah Palin interview I just watched (actually I watched the first three minutes then turned it off due to drama)?

Honestly, we could be underestimating Palin. If she has more interviews like this and avoids serious gaffes (like telling anyone that she thinks Africa is a country) she would be pretty competitive in the primaries. General election? Hope for a massive Obama fail in the next four years.
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2009, 05:56:51 AM »

She won't win the GOP primary if her schtick is defending political correctness. 


That's a stupid liberal issue and I doubt Republicans want to borrow it for anything but cheep thrills

Sorry,  I was referring to the first three minutes. I just stopped watching after Matt asked about the whole Letterman incident. If she bitched about political correctness, than I agree with your assessment.
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2009, 08:28:49 AM »
« Edited: June 13, 2009, 08:30:58 AM by Mechaman »

Everyone is underestimating her. Did any ever think Obama would be president ? NO.



I'm sorry, what?

I totally remember this issue. I also have the February 22, 2007 issue of Rolling Stone magazine that details Obama's roots. It includes details such as Obama's church in Chicago, a badass cool picture of Barack in his old school days as the head of the Harvard Law Review, a picture of his mom (damn she was hot), and even an embarrasing note about how Obama forgot to buy shower curtains when he first moved into his apartment in Washington Smiley. Also included in the article is a segment called "Can he win?" It has four strategies Obama should folow to win the primaries and eventually the presidency, according to Ben Wallace-Wells:

1. Move Beyond "Hope": "He's got to do something to back up the idea that he represents something completely different," as Joe Trippi called it.
2. Be the Commander: How Obama would react to a Swift Boat-like smear campaign?
3. Own the Black vote: Self explanatory. Suggest he try to get 3/4ths of all the black ballots in the primaries.
4. Keep the Race Alive: "Extend the contest" to where other candidates aren't as focused on.

Looking back on his race to the top, I see Obama seems to accomplish all but number 3 on here (I think during the primary Clinton was pretty competitive with the black vote at some point, could be wrong though). But if there is one quote that I found real memorable in this article it was probably from Frank Luntz, advisor to past GOP candidates: "With every other Democratic candidate, I can tell you already how Republicans will go after them. Hillary Clinton doesn't have a heart. John Edwards panders. Joe Biden can't answer a single question in under twenty-four hours. But Obama - he's the one Democratic candidate where I'm not sure how you can take him down."

Obama's rise to power was forecasted long before election season.

I'm not sure if you could say the same about Palin. She was suddenly thrust into the limelight and wasn't ready to handle what the big heads in the media were going to attack her with. Everytime I see her she is getting off on how people make jokes about her and crap instead of doing other things, like uh GOVERNING ALASKA?! There was a village in Alaska that was starving to death and low on heating resources while she was busy being the media's lil orphan Annie. It's like I said I had to stop three minutes into the Matt Lauer interview because everytime I listen to a Sarah Palin interview it's at most 30% actual political and 70% media whore drama. I really doubt any opponent of hers would ignore such an event when campaigning against her. If anything, I say she is making her own political grave........
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2009, 04:49:52 PM »

I'd totally disagree with you on the black vote. Yes early on Hillary was competitive, but if it wasn't for the outrageous black turn out in states like north carolina both during and after the primaries he would never have been the nominee. We'd be looking at our first female president now. Either that or the 'democratic wing of the democratic party' would have rallied behind Edwards and committed electoral suicide again.

Thanks for the correction.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2009, 10:26:37 PM »

Most ideological warriors prove unpopular in a moderate America. Moderates -- not the liberal base of the Democrats or the right-wing base of the GOP -- decide who gets elected.

The most important lesson in politics. Period.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2009, 07:30:15 AM »



sigh: –verb

 1. to let out one's breath audibly, as from sorrow, weariness, or relief.


But why are you sighing? Sorrow, weariness, or relief?

I've never seen you weigh in your opinion on the media's comparative treatment of those two, or gender dynamics in American politics, so I'm genuinely curious.


The media is essentially a joke and is never "fair". Despite that, blaming the media is always desperate and goofy. There is one universal truth at the end of the day and that is your own shortcoming are your fault and not that of the media or anything else for that matter. Palin has no one to blame for her tainted image except herself. Hillary Clinton can't blame the media for her failed campaign bid as that fault lies with her.

I don't see how this is mutually exclusive. The media is heavily enamoured with right wing women compared to left wing women, however. Women like Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin have been famous commentators since the early 2000s yet until Rachel Maddow there was never a prominent liberal woman on the air. This year we have seen everyone from Lynne Cheney to Megan McCain to Bristol Palin to Carrie Prejean to Sarah Palin to Michelle Bachmann become centers of attention while almost no attention is given to liberal women. If it is, it is because they have no choice (Sonia Sotomayor is the SCOTUS nominee, Nancy Pelosi is House Speaker, Hillary Clinton is SOS). It's partially complaining and partially pointing out a dynamic. My theory is that liberal women are seen are more threatening because the left is associated with feminist politics.

Am I the only guy who finds Rachel Maddow VERY ATTRACTIVE?
Plus, although I don't completely agree with her, her style of argument and debate is kickass. She may come across as having a liberal bias sometimes, but at least she doesn't come off as hackish like her colleagues as Old man Matthews and Olbieboy.
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2009, 02:33:49 PM »

Am I the only guy who finds Rachel Maddow VERY ATTRACTIVE?

No you aren't.

If you guys find a butch lesbian attractive, well then ... you're a good fit for the Atlas forum.

Agree. She's fugly.

Whatever fags.

I would facebang her like the fist of an angry god.
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