List of Alternate Presidents

[Mechaman]

Future of America

George W. Bush- Republican, Texas (2001-2009)
Tommy Thompson- Republican, Wisconsin (2009-2021)
Evan Bayh- Democrat, Indiana (2021-2022)
Mark Warner- Democrat, Virginia (2022-2029)
Nelson Crane- Democrat, New York (2029-2037)
George P. Bush- Republican, Florida (2037-2049)
Deuce Man- Democrat, Nevada (2049-2053)
Jim Piedmont- Democrat, Arkansas (2053-2057)
Cynthia Carlton- Republican, Wyoming (2057-2080)
Peter Schmidt- Republican, Delaware (2080-2085)
Peter Nguyen- Democrat, Hawaii (2085-2093)
Steven Wilmont- Republican, Oregon (2093-2095)
Peter Nguyen- Democrat, Hawaii (2095-Present)

Is this the timeline that someone made awhile back where African countries start becoming US states and a Democratic president bans abortion?
If so: EPIC WIN.

[Mechaman]

The End of the Democratic/Republican Party system:

29. Warren G. Harding (Republican-Ohio)/Calvin Coolidge (Republican-Massachusetts) March 4th, 1921-March 4th, 1925
30. Alfred E. Smith (Democratic-New York)/Albert C. Ritchie (Democratic-Maryland) March 4th, 1925-March 4th, 1933
31. Thomas F. Bayard Jr. (Democratic-Delaware)/Peter G. Gerry (Democratic-Rhode Island) March 4th, 1933-January 20th, 1937
33. Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (Republican-New York)/Robert M. La Follette Jr. (Republican-Wisconsin) January 20th, 1937-April 28th, 1937*
34. Robert M. La Follette Jr. (Republican-Wisconsin)/VP vacant April 28th, 1937-May 14th 1937/Arthur Vandenberg May 14th, 1937-January 20th, 1941
35. Thomas T. Connally (Democratic-Texas)/Thomas M. Storke (Democratic-California) January 20th, 1941-January 20th, 1945
36. Douglas MacArthur (Republican-Arkansas)/Earl Warren (Republican-California) January 20th, 1945-September 9th, 1946*
37. Earl Warren (Republican-California)/Office Vacant September 9th, 1946-October 3rd, 1946/Styles Bridges (Republican-New Hampshire) October 3rd, 1946-January 20th, 1949
38. Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. (Democratic-Massachusetts)/Lister J. Hill (Democratic-Alabama) January 20th, 1949-January 20th, 1957
39. Adlai Stevenson (Democratic-Illinois)/Michael J. Mansfield (Democratic-Montana) January 20th, 1957-January 20th, 1961
40. Nelson K. Rockefeller (Reform-New York)/Henry C. Lodge (Reform-Massachusetts) January 20th, 1961-January 5th, 1963*
41. Henry C. Lodge (Reform-Massachusetts) January 5th, 1963-January 18th, 1963/John V. Lindsay (Reform-New York) January 18th, 1963-January 20th, 1969
42. Gerald R. Ford (Reform-Michigan)/Ronald W. Reagan (Reform-California) January 20th, 1969-January 20th, 1977
43. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic-Texas)/Henry M. Jackson (Democratic-Washington) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1981
44. George HW Bush (Reform-Texas)/Jack Kemp (Reform-New York) January 20th, 1981-April 1st, 1981*
45. Jack Kemp (Reform-New York)/Vacant April 1st, 1981-April 11th, 1981/Robert J. Dole (Reform-Kansas) April 11th, 1981-January 21st, 1985
46. Shirley Chisholm (Progressive-New York)/Fred Harris (Progressive-Oklahoma) January 21st, 1985-January 20th, 1989
47. Fred R. Harris (Progressive-Oklahoma)/Henry Cisneros (Progressive-Texas) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1997
48. Michael R. Tate (Reform-Washington)/Roger T. Kennedy (Reform-Massachusetts) January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2005
49. Jonathan T. Debs (Progressive-Virginia)/Scott L. Callahan (Progressive-Illinois) January 20th, 2005-January 20th, 2009
50. Philip Z. Tao (Liberal-New Mexico)/Richard R. Namath (Liberal-North Carolina)

*death in office.
I'll add more to this later.

[Mechaman]

Great list, Mechaman. However, the 37th President should be Earl Warren, shouldn't it?

No it's Stassen because a time traveler from the future erased Earl Warren from the present and replaced him with Harold Stassen who for some reason lived in California.
I'm kidding, yes it's supposed to be Warren.

[Mechaman]

Nixon in 1960!:

35. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California)/Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican-Massachusetts) January 20th, 1961-January 20th, 1969
36. Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic-New York)/Ronald W. Reagan (Democratic-California) January 20th, 1969-November 11th, 1971*
37. Ronald W. Reagan (Democratic-California) November 11th, 1971-December 5th, 1971/Fred Harris (Democratic-Oklahoma) December 5th, 1971-January 20th, 1977
38. Charles C. Percy (Republican-Illinois)/Robert Stafford (Republican-Vermont) January 20th, 1977-January 20th, 1981
39. Fred Harris (Democratic-Oklahoma)/Edward M. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts) January 20th, 1981-March 30th, 1981*
40. Edward M. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts) March 30th, 1981-April 7th, 1981/Jerry Brown (Democratic-California) April 7th, 1981-January 20th, 1989
41. Ray Hutchison (Republican-Texas)/John Chafee (Republican-Rhode Island) January 20th, 1989-January 20th, 1997
42. Hillary Rodham Moynihan (Democratic-New York)/Bill McKay (Democratic-California) January 20th, 1997-January 20th, 2001
43. Jonathan T. Douschwaffle (Republican-Nebraska)/Vincent K. McMahon (Republican-Connecticut) January 20th, 2001-January 20th, 2009
44. John M Osbourne (Liberal-New Hampshire)/Randall W. Rhoads (Liberal-California) January 20th, 2009-present

Notes:

35. Richard Nixon wins a close victory over John Kennedy and stays in office for two terms.  During his term the US pulls out of Vietnam, Civil Rights Act of 1963 is passed and a National Healthcare bill is passed.  However a bad economy and Republican fatigue helps Robert Kennedy get elected in 1969.
36. Robert Kennedy, this nation's first Catholic president, presides over economic downturn and busing riots.  He vocally opposes the Nyman v. Joe ruling in the US Supreme Court that would eventually lead to abortion on demand.  He would be assassinated on November 11th, 1971 by a white supremacists named David Duke.
37. Ronald Reagan, a former actor turned Senator turned Vice President turned President in the wake of Kennedy's assassination.  Reagan would win a landslide election in 1972 running off of sympathy votes for Kennedy.  However, unlike previous Democratic administrations and the Nixon administration the Reagan administration would take a turn to the right on the economy by promoting an economic agenda of drastic reductions in military spending and arts funding, reductions of Union power, income tax reduction, and airline deregulation.  He would not seek re-election in 1976.
39. Fred Harris, Reagan's VP and the nation's 39th president, would be elected president running on a progressive agenda.  He would be assassinated by John Hinckley Jr. on March 30th, 1981.  His VP Edward Kennedy, younger brother of the late Robert Kennedy, would succeed him as president.
40. Edward Kennedy, the last of Joe Kennedy's boys, would become President after President Fred Harris is killed by John Hinckley's bullet.  Many expected him to continue the Harris agenda, however he ended up governing as a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian.  Under Kennedy's presidency the Equal Pay Act was passed along with the Loving Amendment passed (which got the government out of the realm of determining relationships).
41. Ray Hutchison, a libertarian Republican, would become president after Kennedy.  His tenure in office would ironically be most like his Democratic successor, except that Hutchison would be more observant of federalism on matters such as the death penalty and reproductive issues.
42. Hillary Rodham Moynihan, wife of former New York Senator Daniel P. Moynihan, becomes the nation's first female president.  Unlike her predecessor Kennedy she would govern as an economic progressive but a foreign policy hawk.
43. Jonathan T. Douschewaffle would be the Republican President from 2001-2009.  He was all around a giant douche.  In fact everybody was starting to think the Democrats and Republicans were just huge douches and were left with no choice but to vote.....
44. Liberal.  Started in the mid 1980's the Liberal Party was based around a non-interventionist foreign policy, libertarian social agenda, and free market economics.  John M. Osbourne, the American born son of immigrants from Birmingham, England, and former US Senator of New Hampshire, would win in a landslide as disillusioned America voted against the Democratic and Republican tickets.  His Vice President, Randall W. Rhoads, Junior Senator from California, is often seen playing classical guitar around the White House whenever the President and his staff take a break.

I know a bit hackish but hey a man can dream right?

[Mechaman]

Awesome list, Mech. But why does everyone of your lists end with a yellow party, most likely nmaed Liberal or Liberty?

Hoping that people stop buying two party bullsh**t.
Plus listing those two as either Democratic or Republican would have been hawkish.

[Mechaman]

Back to the Future! Pt. 2:

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican-New York)/Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California) January 3rd, 1953-January 3rd, 1961
35. John F. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts)/Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic-Texas) January 3rd, 1961-November 22nd, 1963*
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic-Texas)/office vacant November 22nd, 1963-January 3rd, 1965/Hubert H. Humphrey (Democratic-Minnesota) January 3rd, 1965-January 3rd, 1969
37. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-New York)/Spiro Agnew (Republican-Maryland) January 3rd, 1969-October 10th, 1973*/Office Vacant October 10th, 1973-December 11th, 1973/Charles H. Percy (Republican-Illinois) December 11th, 1973-September 22nd, 1975*/Office Vacant September 22nd 1975-October 15th, 1975/Raymond P. Shafer (Republican-Pennsylvania) October 15th, 1975-January 3rd, 1981/John B. Connally Jr. (Republican-Texas) January 3rd, 1981-September 8th, 1987*
38. John P. Connally, Jr. (Republican-Texas)/office vacant September 8th, 1987-January 3rd, 1989
39. Edward M. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts)/Gary Hart (Democratic-Colorado) January 3rd, 1989-January 11th, 1991*
40. Gary Hart (Democratic-Colorado)/Office Vacant January 11th, 1991-January 28th, 1991/Daniel Patrick Moynihan (Democratic-New York) January 28th, 1991-January 3rd, 1993
41. Donald H. Rumsfeld (Republican-Illinois)/Richard B. Cheney (Republican-Wyoming) January 3rd, 1993-January 3rd, 2001
42. John S. McCain (Republican-Arizona)/Rudolph Giuliani (Republican-New York) January 3rd, 2001-January 3rd, 2005
43. Russ D. Feingold (Democratic-Wisconsin)/Caroline B. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts) January 3rd, 2005-June 9th, 2005*
44. Caroline B. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts)/Office Vacant June 9th, 2005-June 14th, 2005/William B. Richardson (Democratic-New Mexico) June 14th, 2005-January 3rd, 2009
45. James "Rick" Perry (Republican-Texas)/Dino Rossi (Republican-Washington) January 3rd, 2009-Present

Yeah not realistic at all, but hey I'm basing part of this off of the movie.
* notes
35. Assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas, Texas.
37. Spiro Agnew gets indicted on bribery charges and resigns the vice presidency.  Charles H. Percy is gunned down by Sara Jane Moore on September 22nd, 1975 when he got in the way of a bullet meant for the president.  President Nixon dies of sudden heart failure in his sleep on September 8th, 1987.  He would be known as the longest reigning president in US history, staying in the Oval Office for over 18 years and winning 5 presidential terms.  Under his tenure the legalization of gambling took place.
39. Edward M. Kennedy, the first Democratic President in 20 years, is assassinated by PIRA terrorists during his Ireland tour in January of 1991.
43. Russ Feingold, the first Democratic President in 12 years, dies from pancreatic cancer.  Caroline Kennedy, his VP, would take over.

[Mechaman]

A Second Chance: 1960-?
This is my Second Chance timeline so far. In over thirty five pages, this is as far as I've gotten. I don't know if that's an accomplishment or a failure, but here it is:

34. Dwight D Eisenhower (R-NY)/Richard M Nixon (R-CA) January 20th, 1953-January 20th, 1961
35. Richard M Nixon (R-CA)/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) January 20th, 1961-January 20th, 1965
36. John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Terry Sanford (D-NC) January 20th, 1965-January 20th, 1973
37. Spiro T Agnew (R-MD)/George HW Bush (R-TX) January 20th, 1973-June 19th, 1974
38. George HW Bush (R-TX)/Gerald R Ford (R-MI) January 19th, 1974-January 20th, 1977
39. Robert F Kennedy (D-MA)/George McGovern (D-SD) January 20th, 1977-?

Here are the maps:

1960

Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-CA)/Ambassador to the United Nations Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA); 270 electoral votes, 49.9% of the popular vote
Senator John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B Johnson (D-TX); 248 electoral votes, 49.6% of the popular votes
Unpledged Electors; 13 electoral votes; .5% of the popular vote

1964

Senator John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Governor Terry Sanford (D-NC); 273 electoral votes, 43.7% of the popular vote
President Richard M Nixon (R-CA)/Vice-President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA); 212 electoral votes, 42.1% of the popular vote
Senator Strom Thurmond (DI-SC)/Governor Orville Faubus (DI-AR); 53 electoral votes, 14.5% of the popular vote

1968

President John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Vice-President Terry Sanford (D-NC); 273 electoral votes; 42.9% of the popular vote
Governor George Romney (R-MI)/Senator Mark Hatfield (R-OR); 212 electoral votes; 42.7% of the popular vote
Former Governor George Wallace (DI-AL)/General Curtis LeMay (DI-CA); 53 electoral votes; 14.1% of the popular vote

1972

Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD)/Senator George HW Bush (R-TX); 278 electoral votes, 48.7% of the popular vote
Vice-President Terry Sanford (D-NC)/Senate Minority Leader Hubert H Humphrey (D-MN); 242 electoral votes, 46.1% of the popular vote
Congressman John Schmitz (I-CA)/Congressman John Ashbrook (I-OH); 18 electoral votes; 4.7% of the popular vote
Others (Socialist, Libertarian, People's); 0 electoral votes, .3% of the popular vote

1976

Senator Robert F Kennedy (D-MA)/Senator George McGovern (D-SD); 281 electoral votes, 51.2% of the popular vote
President George Bush (R-TX)/Senator Ronald Reagan (R-CA); 257 electoral votes, 48.7% of the popular vote
Others; 0 electoral votes, .3% of the popular vote

Lol, that's a lot farther than I've ever gotten....

[Mechaman]

Lol, that's a lot farther than I've ever gotten....

Do you like it?

And, by the way, on my LaFollette in 1924 list, I copied off of you on MLK being a Republican and on Nader winning in 2000.

I had Nader winning in 2000?
Must've been one of my earlier lists.......

[Mechaman]

The Rise of Progressivism
This is a timeline I'm working on on another forum, though I haven't updated in a while due to the amount of time I put into individual updates. The point of divergence is obvious, Theodore Roosevelt winning as a Progressive in 1912.  It somewhat mirrors Mechaman's election of 1920 timeline, but I didn't intend for that to happen and have completely different plans for it than authoritarian Republican vs. Libertarian Democrat, which is what Mech's TL seems to be shaping up to be.

28. Theodore Roosevelt (P-NY)/Hiram Johnson (P-CA) March 4th, 1913-March 4th, 1921
29. Joseph T Robinson (D-AR)/Alfred E Smith (D-NY) March 4th, 1913-March 15th, 1923
30. Alfred E Smith (D-NY)/vacant, Charles W Bryan (D-NE) March 15th, 1923-?

These are the election maps with popular vote, which I did not include in the actual timeline. Actually seeing the margins down south, it now seems unrealistic that TR could capture the popular vote, but I'll stick with the original totals.

1912

Former President Theodore Roosevelt (P-NY)/Governor Hiram Johnson (P-CA) 276 electoral votes, 38.7% of the popular vote
Governor Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ)/Governor Thomas R Marshall (D-IN) 251 electoral votes, 36.2% of the popular vote
President William Howard Taft (R-OH)/Nicholas Murray Butler (R-NY) 4 electoral votes, 22.3% of the popular vote
Eugene V Debbs (S-IN)/Mayor Emil Seidel (S-WI) 2.2% of the popular vote

1916

President Theodore Roosevelt (P-NY)/Vice-President Hiram Johnson (P-CA) 303 electoral votes, 40.2% of the popular vote
House Speaker Beauchamp "Champ" Clark (D-MO)/DNC Chairman William F McComb (D-NY) 189 electoral votes, 33.5% of th epopular vote
Former Vice-President Charles W Fairbanks (R-IN)/Senator Warren G Harding (R-OH) 39 elecotral votes, 25.2% of the popular vote

1920

Senator Joseph T Robinson (D-AR)/Governor Alfred E Smith (D-NY) 277 electoral votes, 36.3% of the popular vote
Associate Justice William S Kenyon (P-IA)/Labor Secretary Franklin D Roosevelt (P-NY) 168 electoral votes, 32.7% of the popular vote
Senator Howard Sutherland (R-WV)/Former Senator John W Weeks (R-MA) 86 electoral votes, 30.2% of the popular vote
Others (Socialist, Prohoibition, etc.) 0 electoral votes, .8% of the popular vote

1924

President Alfred E Smith (D-NY)/Governor Charles W Bryan (D-NE) 276 electoral votes, 36.2% of the popular vote
Senate Majority Leader Robert P LaFollette (P-WI)/Former War Secretary Leonard Wood (P-NH) 184 electoral votes, 32.8% of the popular vote
Senator James Phalen (C-CA)/Former Commerce Secretary Henry Ford (C-MI) 67 electoral votes, 19.3% of the popular vote
Senator Smith W Brookhart (R-IA)/Congressman Theodore E Burton (R-OH) 4 electoral votes, 11.2% of the popular vote
Others (Socialist, Prohibition, etc.) 0 electoral votes, .5% of the popular vote

Well, I wouldn't exactly call Al Smith's campaign "libertarian" due to some of his more liberal stances (support of a minimal wage namely), but the point is that it is a counter "Republican progressive" ticket.  In other words Smith follows more along the lines of Democratic Liberalism of that era (ie opposition to imperialism and protectionism) that just happens to have some traditional American conservative sympathies.
And I wouldn't call the above a copy of my TL, considering that in 1912 TR runs as Republican as opposed to a Progressive.

[Mechaman]

Having recently gotten back into Fallout, made a list of Presidents for the Verse.  Assume that all presidents are the same before the list starts.  Furthermore, the only things I've gotten from canon (IE not my own, fun speculation) is Nixon and the last three, though it did take me a very long time to make this "feel" right.

35.  John F. Kennedy (Democrat) (1961-1969)
36.  Richard Nixon (Republican) (1969-1974)[1]
37.  Spiro Agnew (Republican) (1974-1977)
38.  George Wallace (Democrat) (1977-1985)
39.  Jimmy Carter (Democrat) (1985-1989)
40.  Jack Kemp (Republican) (1989-1993)
41.  Bob Kerrey (Democrat) (1993-2001)
42.  Bill Bradley (Democrat) (2001-2009)
43.  John McCain (Republican) (2009-2015)[2]
44.  Mike Huckabee (Republican) (2015-2025)
45.  Anthony Weiner (Democrat) (2025-2031)[3]
46.  Charles Clinton (Democrat) (2031-2037)[4]
47.  Rob Paul (Republican) (2037-2045)[5]
48.  John Proffitt (Democrat) (2045-2053)[6]
49.  Randolph Richardson (Republican) (2053-2061)[7]
50.  Michael Daley (American) (2061-2077)[8][9][10][11]
51.  Randolph Richardson Jr. (American) (2077-2090)[12]
52.  William Richardson (none) (2090-2135)[13]
53.  William Richardson Jr. (none)  (2135-2159)
54.  Charles Richardson (none) (2159-2180)
55.  Richard Richardson (none) (2180-2220)[14]
56.  Richard Richardson Jr. (none) (2220-2242)[15]
57.  John Henry Eden (none) (2242-)[16]


[1] Resigned after facing impeachment charges over election fraud.
[2] Died in office of natural causes.
[3] Surprise stoke leads to removal, though he dies shortly thereafter.
[4] Chelsea was born male due to the butterfly effect.
[5] Yes, one of those Pauls.
[6] Future filler years, why not throw myself in.
[7] Reference to the canonolgical Richardsons later
[8] Related to the Chicago dynasty
[9] The American Party is formed in response to the Resource Wars, the dissolution of the UN, and all other kinds of nastiness that started in 2052 (canon events).  It takes time for them to build clout, though.
[10] War measures act grants sweeping power to the government and gets rid of term limits following the Chinese invasion of Alaska in 2066 (canon, at least the invasion)
[11] Dies in DC when the nukes finally come out on Oct 22, 2077 (event is canon)
[12] Son of former president.  In control of the shadow government when the bombs fell.  Establishment of the Richardson dynasty.  (kind of cannon)
[13] Parties done away with by this point.
[14] Canon character
[15] Killed by player character in Fallout 2
[16] Actually a supercomputer, can be killed by player in Fallout 3 (2277)

Wow, yes.......this is amazing.

[Mechaman]

Lol Gerry Brown

I was about to make a lame joke here, but I should note that Jerry Brown's real middle name is actually "Gerald".  In an alternate universe where his parents weren't being trendsters, I could imagine him being called "Gerry" instead of "Jerry".  OF course there's not really any difference between the two except that Jerry sounds like a dude in a greaser gang and Gerry sounds like an alcoholic.