Why is the US so conservative?

[Mechaman]

That's pretty disgusting even for the standards of European far-right.

Hell, if somebody was sprouting out that sh*t in f***ing Idaho they wouldn't survive a month into the primaries!

[Mechaman]

That's pretty disgusting even for the standards of European far-right.

Hell, if somebody was sprouting out that sh*t in f***ing Idaho they wouldn't survive a month into the primaries!

Are you having a rare moment of pride in Idaho?

Nah, just making a point about cultural differences.

[Mechaman]

To be fair to Greece, LAOS would stand no chance in a "conservative voters" primary, either. There's a reason their leader was kicked out of New Democracy back in the 90s. I think their approximately 5% of the vote nationally is not an unreasonable estimate of what they'd get in the US on a proportional system. (After all, their platform isn't mostly about Jews, even though their leader occasionally goes on anti-Semitic rants--and it would probably be modified to be anti-black or anti-Hispanic or anti-Muslim ranting if it were in the US.)

Meh, good point.
I could see a viruently anti-Hispanic party get 10% of the vote in the States.  After all, this is the same country that had the Know Nothing Movement.  And unlike slavery it really hasn't gone away in parts of the country.  Hell we got politicians pushing forth a repeal of birth right citizenship.  Nativism is a pretty ugly beast.

[Mechaman]

To be fair to Greece, LAOS would stand no chance in a "conservative voters" primary, either. There's a reason their leader was kicked out of New Democracy back in the 90s. I think their approximately 5% of the vote nationally is not an unreasonable estimate of what they'd get in the US on a proportional system. (After all, their platform isn't mostly about Jews, even though their leader occasionally goes on anti-Semitic rants--and it would probably be modified to be anti-black or anti-Hispanic or anti-Muslim ranting if it were in the US.)

Meh, good point.
I could see a viruently anti-Hispanic party get 10% of the vote in the States.  After all, this is the same country that had the Know Nothing Movement.  And unlike slavery it really hasn't gone away in parts of the country.  Hell we got politicians pushing forth a repeal of birth right citizenship.  Nativism is a pretty ugly beast.

I don't think there is any comparable anti-Hispanic figure to Hitler...but if someone literally wanted to execute all Hispanics because they're subhuman...I sort of doubt that could get 10% (or even 5%) in the US. If we're talking about "throwing out the darkies becaues they're stealing the jobs and committing crimes (not that I'm racist or anything)" that position regularly gets 10-25% in most European countries.

Yeah I was talking more about the latter view.
Likewise I think Hitlerian views wouldn't get more than 1% popularity (considering how many people there are in the US).

[Mechaman]

Did Hitler actually campaign on exterminating all the Jews?

From what I learned in History of the Holocaust class my senior year in high school: no way.
In fact our teacher emphasized how covert Hitler was about the plans.  Most of the German people had no idea that genocide was happening.  I remember reading about a former member of the Nazi Youth thinking the Allied authorities were telling him lies when he first heard what the Nazi Government did.
That isn't to say everybody was in the dark.  There were quite a few people who did know, but a lot of people thought that all Hitler and his buddies were doing was putting these people in camps.
It wasn't until 1944 before the extent of the Nazi atrocities was realized.

[Mechaman]

Big congressional districts, the FPTP system, the two-party system, and the fact that the United States is a huge country, where places as liberal as Western Europe, with enough of a population to be a small country, like San Francisco, are mashed together with places that can be as conservative as Saudi Arabia.  The latter is a reason I support decentralization.

Also: my crazy history professor said the Holocaust was not really even Hitler's plan to begin with.

Of course it was not.
Heinrich Himmler seemed to be the brains behind the whole "Final Solution" part of the Nazi regime.  I would argue that Hitler was merely the mouthpiece of the Nazi Party.  Himmler and other military leaders seemed to be the brains behind the government, at least in regards to pacification of "undesirables".

But meh, that is a discussion for another time.