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CJK
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2015, 02:41:29 PM »

All racial segregation, both State mandated or not, was outlawed so I don't see what difference it makes. Nobody cares if mandatory desegregation increased black on white crime or made whites and blacks feel bad.
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2015, 03:15:43 PM »

modern fashion trends have destroyed the traditional concept of preventing men from harassing women.

Parrot it all you want, that line won't work on the jury in your inevitable lawsuit.

I think you know what I meant. The traditional concept of male-female interaction was that women had to not "provoke" men into harassment by wearing "provocative" outfits. That concept is no longer in effective operation. So the idea that we have to segregate bathrooms to prevent men from losing control is logically also outdated.
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2015, 04:09:13 PM »

modern fashion trends have destroyed the traditional concept of preventing men from harassing women.

Parrot it all you want, that line won't work on the jury in your inevitable lawsuit.

I think you know what I meant. The traditional concept of male-female interaction was that women had to not "provoke" men into harassment by wearing "provocative" outfits. That concept is no longer in effective operation. So the idea that we have to segregate bathrooms to prevent men from losing control is logically also outdated.

There are far more low key and practical reasons for separate bathrooms.

Fx different hygiene standards.

Bathrooms used by men stink and become messy. So it is considerate towards women to have separate facilities.

Again, my point is that even if there are good reasons, those reasons are no better or worse than the reasons given for past discrimination that are now completely ignored in mainstream discourse.
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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2015, 05:26:31 PM »
« Edited: March 08, 2015, 05:31:25 PM by CJK »

modern fashion trends have destroyed the traditional concept of preventing men from harassing women.

Parrot it all you want, that line won't work on the jury in your inevitable lawsuit.

I think you know what I meant. The traditional concept of male-female interaction was that women had to not "provoke" men into harassment by wearing "provocative" outfits. That concept is no longer in effective operation. So the idea that we have to segregate bathrooms to prevent men from losing control is logically also outdated.

There are far more low key and practical reasons for separate bathrooms.

Fx different hygiene standards.

Bathrooms used by men stink and become messy. So it is considerate towards women to have separate facilities.

Again, my point is that even if there are good reasons, those reasons are no better or worse than the reasons given for past discrimination that are now completely ignored in mainstream discourse.

You understand that this argument only works in your favor if one starts from the premise that racial segregation was good and reasonable, right?

I never said that. It is perfectly reasonable to claim that integration was a moral necessity no matter what the cost. To imply that there was zero costs, however, is to impose a simple victor's history.  History gets written by the victors. The people who pushed to end segregation had a vested interest to later write history in a way that claimed they always had 100% of the facts and their opponents 0%, just like the segregationists previously wrote history to have the facts as 100% on their side as well. Saying that x group vilified today had 0% of the facts on their side is just being childish.

The universal consensus today that men would lose their minds and rape women at the drop of a hat if we desegregated bathrooms is just as ridiculous as the previous universal consensus that blacks were basically wild beasts around whites. Both of them have at least a little bit of truth, though, and figuring out what to do with that truth is the controversial part. Vilifying viewpoints one way or another is not helpful.

Are gays just as morally "worthy" as blacks were? I would say no, and to imply so would be deeply insulting blacks.

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