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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
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« on: August 31, 2023, 05:18:40 PM »

I still support Albanese and he's way better than Dutton, but this whole voice thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. Australia should have a colorblind government.
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2023, 12:03:40 AM »

I still support Albanese and he's way better than Dutton, but this whole voice thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. Australia should have a colorblind government.

You mean courblind as long as the uppity blacks stay out of it. Gotcha

No wtf lol. Everyone should have equal rights, white or black. But race should not be even mentioned in our constitution.

My family literally immigrated to escape persecution in apartheid South Africa, don't lecture me about racism.
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2023, 01:36:50 AM »

First time voting at all, and I will be voting No.
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2023, 06:36:14 AM »

No + cope
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2023, 10:23:05 PM »

From conversations I've overheard, most young people don't really care about the referendum or know much about it, in fact most have said they're sick of hearing about it lol.
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2023, 03:54:38 AM »

I knew ABC is biased for YES, but I didn't expect the atmosphere to be bleaker than a funeral.

They're not biased. You just think they are.

They pretty clearly are, it's almost unwatchable. Reminds me of the media meltdown here in the UK after the EU referendum.

People who scream that the public broadcaster is biased generally have no other argument and think they are because they're not hearing the exact words they want them to say.

So no, they are not. People think they are because they won't parrot Sky News every hour.
The ABC seems genuinely upset lmao
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
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Junior Chimp
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Australia


« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2023, 03:55:28 AM »

so guys we did it
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
Junior Chimp
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Australia


« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2023, 04:07:59 AM »


Yes, you told Indigenous people "You don't deserve a voice."

You must be so proud of the fact you consider them second class citizens.


I consider them equal to the rest of the country, which is why I voted to keep equal representation for all citizens.

The media, the corporations, the big money, even a lot of conservative elites were pro-Voice, but the people stood strong for equality and rejected it.
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
Junior Chimp
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Australia


« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2023, 04:34:44 AM »

Reminds me of the media meltdown here in the UK after the EU referendum.

And that vote was also definitely worth it, wasn't it. No Leave voter has ever regretted their vote since.
It'll be the same here, indigenous people deserve special recognition.

At least the benefit of this is confirming again why direct democracy does not work in today's world.
Leave decisions to the pros, not the scared sheep unable to cope with the cognitive dissonance of having had bloodthirsty, looting ancestors in the past.

It would be inaccurate to describe early settlers as bloodthirsty-there were attempts made to rwach out peacefully before things went downhill. Hell, we only acknowledged indigenous people as people in 1967.

However, I do agree that Australian people have a great sensitivity about their history; even more than Americans. If you dare try to suggest that we committed major crimes against Indigenous people, then Sky and their drones like Shaula and Meclazine will put out a fatwa on you.
What do you mean by "we" committed crimes against indigenous people?
My parents immigrated to Australia in the 90s LOL
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,413
Australia


« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2023, 04:44:03 AM »

Reminds me of the media meltdown here in the UK after the EU referendum.

And that vote was also definitely worth it, wasn't it. No Leave voter has ever regretted their vote since.
It'll be the same here, indigenous people deserve special recognition.

At least the benefit of this is confirming again why direct democracy does not work in today's world.
Leave decisions to the pros, not the scared sheep unable to cope with the cognitive dissonance of having had bloodthirsty, looting ancestors in the past.

It would be inaccurate to describe early settlers as bloodthirsty-there were attempts made to rwach out peacefully before things went downhill. Hell, we only acknowledged indigenous people as people in 1967.

However, I do agree that Australian people have a great sensitivity about their history; even more than Americans. If you dare try to suggest that we committed major crimes against Indigenous people, then Sky and their drones like Shaula and Meclazine will put out a fatwa on you.
What do you mean by "we" committed crimes against indigenous people?
My parents immigrated to Australia in the 90s LOL

Irrelevant to my overall point, which is that if you try to point out the historic discrimination that Indigenous people have suffered out here, Sky News drones like yourself and Meclazine jump with whatever fresh bit of nonsense/bile you've decided to spit out. It is a fact that Australians are extremely sensitive to being shown the facts of history.
I've never even watched Sky News once in my life.

I also support the Labor Party, and I hope this referendum pushes Albo to focus on economic issues that help working people instead of cringe woke stuff to get good press in the elitist media.
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,413
Australia


« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2023, 04:51:56 AM »

Reminds me of the media meltdown here in the UK after the EU referendum.

And that vote was also definitely worth it, wasn't it. No Leave voter has ever regretted their vote since.
It'll be the same here, indigenous people deserve special recognition.

At least the benefit of this is confirming again why direct democracy does not work in today's world.
Leave decisions to the pros, not the scared sheep unable to cope with the cognitive dissonance of having had bloodthirsty, looting ancestors in the past.

It would be inaccurate to describe early settlers as bloodthirsty-there were attempts made to rwach out peacefully before things went downhill. Hell, we only acknowledged indigenous people as people in 1967.

However, I do agree that Australian people have a great sensitivity about their history; even more than Americans. If you dare try to suggest that we committed major crimes against Indigenous people, then Sky and their drones like Shaula and Meclazine will put out a fatwa on you.
What do you mean by "we" committed crimes against indigenous people?
My parents immigrated to Australia in the 90s LOL

Irrelevant to my overall point, which is that if you try to point out the historic discrimination that Indigenous people have suffered out here, Sky News drones like yourself and Meclazine jump with whatever fresh bit of nonsense/bile you've decided to spit out. It is a fact that Australians are extremely sensitive to being shown the facts of history.
I've never even watched Sky News once in my life.

I also support the Labor Party, and I hope this referendum pushes Albo to focus on economic issues that help working people instead of cringe woke stuff to get good press in the elitist media.

Cringe woke? Both of those words are thrown around so much they have no meaning anymore.

As I said to FuzzyBear a few days ago: your chair is woke.
The constitution should be colorblind. Even making the constitution about race is awful.
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,413
Australia


« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2023, 06:44:58 AM »

Albanese had mentioned possibly holding a republican referendum in his second term, but the failure of the voice makes that unlikely now
I actually have a feeling a Republic referendum could pass. Republicanism seems to be a much more bipartisan idea than it was 25 years ago and it seems broadly popular.
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,413
Australia


« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2023, 10:00:57 AM »

Albanese had mentioned possibly holding a republican referendum in his second term, but the failure of the voice makes that unlikely now
I actually have a feeling a Republic referendum could pass. Republicanism seems to be a much more bipartisan idea than it was 25 years ago and it seems broadly popular.

And let's face it, Charlie doesn't have the emotional pull of his mother.
And honestly, it seems like the sort of idea that won't turn into a culture war. Neither the left or right particularly approve of the monarchy (apart from weirdo Abbott fans and middle-aged women).
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Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,413
Australia


« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2023, 07:05:38 PM »

Albanese had mentioned possibly holding a republican referendum in his second term, but the failure of the voice makes that unlikely now
I actually have a feeling a Republic referendum could pass. Republicanism seems to be a much more bipartisan idea than it was 25 years ago and it seems broadly popular.

And let's face it, Charlie doesn't have the emotional pull of his mother.

And honestly, it seems like the sort of idea that won't turn into a culture war. Neither the left or right particularly approve of the monarchy (apart from weirdo Abbott fans and middle-aged women).

It will absolutely turn into a polarised culture war because most Liberal MPs are monarchists and none of them want to hand Albo a win.

I can see the posters now…..

But at the same time many on the far-right are Republicans, and its a losing battle for the monarchists.
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