Mock Parliament Diplomacy

[Oakvale]

I greatly fear relations with the Mock Parliament may be, due to still strong mutual hostility and strictly technical reasons, unworkable.

The technical reasons I'm referring to is that we're in two diffrent universes. Unless both games have a joint GM or other game engine like that, there will be no plausibility and contradiction after contradiction.

I strongly prefer Griffin's idea of introducing second playable country to our universe instead.

With the existence of two actual nations, there'd be no need for a GM to make up stuff about Hollande being assassinated in order to have a fun foreign policy.

[Oakvale]

Here's a breakdown of my argument:

1. A complete ban on simultaneous officeholding would be disasterous.

2. The only rationale for a complete ban is "diplomacy" between the two nations.

3. The chances of a complete ban passing in South America is fairly likely, given the well-documented anti-Atlasian sentiment over there.

Therefore, it's not a stretch at all to say that the chances of this destructive ban will go up a lot if diplomatic relations are opened, since point 2 will no longer be moot.

Speaking of which, I'd like to make it clear that President Bore and then the next president will need to make sure that South America won't gain any benefits--and there won't even be diplomatic relations--if they institute a ban on simultaneous officeholding any larger than the proposed ban--which is certainly reasonable, and I actually support it.

I can only speak for the present administration, but take it from me - the current South American Conservative-Social Liberal government will not under any circumstances introduce a stricter office-holding ban than that proposed on the positions of Prime Minister, Foreign Minister and ambassadors.

[Oakvale]

The "diplomacy" in Atlasia, existing as it does in a vacuum, has been in every respect a massive failure. At its best our foreign policy consisted of the SoEA writing fanfic about his heroic efforts on behalf of Middle East peace.

[Oakvale]

So Leinad's argument is that because the collapsing scenery of Atlasia provides a good example of what not to do we shouldn't establish foreign relations because your feelings are hurt?

Isolationism does not become you, comrades.

[Oakvale]

Back to the point: the reality according to most in the mock parli[a]ment is that Atlasia is some kind of desolate wasteland--a tremendously failed state if it hasn't fully collapsed. That's okay if they want to think that, but those of us sticking around don't agree with that reality.

Atlasia is literally a failed state at the moment. That might change, but that's a fairly undeniable reality right now.

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Why? I'm not particularly keen on having LOL NUKES if I can avoid it.

[Oakvale]

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Why? I'm not particularly keen on having LOL NUKES if I can avoid it.

So you want to play diplomatic relations yet at the same time you want to operate like Atlasia and South America are in diffrent universe? Because that how things are going to be without any synchronization. It doesn't make a slightest sense.

The GM position in Atlasia is an utter irrelevance and it's long past time we stop pretending it mattered. We've had peace in the Middle East since 2013 or something.

[Oakvale]

A couple of prominent Atlasians screeched and screamed about the idea of Mock Parliament being moved to the "Fantasy Elections" section, let alone the idea of opening foreign relations and thus solving forever the vacuum problem. What is that if not pigheaded isolationism from those few individuals? I'd hope they're a minority.

[Oakvale]

A couple of prominent Atlasians screeched and screamed about the idea of Mock Parliament being moved to the "Fantasy Elections" section, let alone the idea of opening foreign relations and thus solving forever the vacuum problem. What is that if not pigheaded isolationism from those few individuals? I'd hope they're a minority.

I would argue that, if you're trying to convince people that you're not anti-Atlasia, calling Atlasians "pigheaded isolationists" isn't the best strategy.

Otherwise, I basically agree with what Kalwejt said: I'm not opposed to diplomacy with South America, but I do think we need to have some sort of unified game engine for it to work.

I didn't - and wouldn't - call all Atlasians that, only the, uh, pigheaded isolationists.