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Oakvale
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« on: November 05, 2013, 02:02:44 PM »


Basically. I've laid out before what I find objectionable about Snowden although I'll say that he's not as awful as his counterpart internet hero Bradley Manning.
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Oakvale
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2013, 02:59:16 PM »


Basically. I've laid out before what I find objectionable about Snowden although I'll say that he's not as awful as his counterpart internet hero Bradley Manning.

From what I remember (apologies if I'm wrong), your main points for disliking him were that his admirers come from an utterly insufferable crowd (which is absolutely true) and that you personally have no issue with being spied over (which is a legitimate position). All this, however, says nothing about Snowden's character or the legitimacy of his actions.

No, Snowden revealed himself very quickly to be a delusional narcissist who makes sanctimonious pronouncements about Civil Liberties (and implying he'll be assassinated like Malcolm X) while seeking asylum in Putin's Russia. The fact that he leaked privileged security information as part of some bizarre messianic complex in a marginally less reckless way than Bradley Manning doesn't speak to his "character". Leaking information about the NSA does nothing to make anyone in the United States or out of it safer and only serves to allow Vladimir Putin and Latin American demagogues (and, er, Flanby) to loudly pontificate about AMERIKKKA to distract from the various levels of ongoing disaster in their own countries.

If Snowden believes that he did the right thing, as he claims to, he should have stayed in the US and stood trial, not fled to one of the most tyrannical regimes in the developed world while still preposterously attempting to hold some kind of moral high ground.
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Oakvale
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2013, 03:30:55 PM »

No, Snowden revealed himself very quickly to be a delusional narcissist who makes sanctimonious pronouncements about Civil Liberties (and implying he'll be assassinated like Malcolm X) while seeking asylum in Putin's Russia.

lol yeah, he should've came to (Western) Europe or wherever so he could be immediately deported and given the Manning treatment.

It's just fortunate it wasn't Russian national security secrets he was leaking or he'd have been poisoned months ago!

"The Manning treatment" being, er, standing trial and facing the consequences of your actions?
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2013, 03:52:56 PM »

FF.

Betraying one's country isn't in and of itself a 'bad thing,' especially if you justify your actions on a power that transcends human-established laws: morality.  Moral wrongs need to be rectified somehow.

Lol. What "moral wrong" did Snowden rectify?
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Oakvale
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2013, 03:57:37 PM »

FF.

Betraying one's country isn't in and of itself a 'bad thing,' especially if you justify your actions on a power that transcends human-established laws: morality.  Moral wrongs need to be rectified somehow.

Lol. What "moral wrong" did Snowden rectify?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States

Yeah I'm aware of the topic at hand. What "moral wrong" did Snowden's actions rectify?
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