Why I Hate Harry Truman

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Why I Hate Harry Truman

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Indeed, let us curse the name of one of America's dumbest and worst presidents, Hiroshima Harry, the Butcher of Asia, and destroyer of American freedom. We are still living with his legacy to this day under the Bush and Obama regimes.

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Utter garbage, written by another blind isolationist who wants to be left alone and doesn't care about the rest of the world.  He also ignores the fact that Truman supported more progressive legislation than anyone besides FDR, and that LBJ was merely following through on Truman's programs for the Great Society.

The author can go f**k himself, for all I care.

You mean someone who doesn't want to commit mass murder and destroy other nations as well as his own?


LBJ was a warmongering piece of crap too, so what's your point?

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Truman was an imperialist internationalist idiot. The invasion of the DPRK, the murder of millions of Japanese civilians when Japan attempted to surrender... all of them point to a warmongering megalomaniac.

Well at least we can still agree on something.

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One of the most factually incorrect pieces ever written.

McCormick was wrong. In 1941 the USSR was backed up at the Gates of Moscow and it wasn't untill 1943 after the Battle of the Kursk and Hitler's decision to take 100,000 troops meant to reinforce the Eastern Front against the USSR and sent them into Italy to rescue Mussolini, following US-UK invasion of Sicily and Italy that, Russia finally gained the definative upper hand on the Eastern front. Not to mention that large percentages of Soviet trucks, and many tanks had been built in Detroit and shipped to them by the US. The USSR wouldn't have survived had it not been for US entry. Indeed it was the bombing of Pearl Harbor that convinced Stalin the Japanese weren't a threat of invasion allowing him to pull a huge Army our of Siberia, ship it 5,000 miles across the Trans-Siberian Railway to Moscow and deploy them just in time to turn the battle in the favor of the Soviets.

Sorry, where's the factual error in the OP? The idea that Germany would have ever conquered the Soviet Union is ridiculous; it was a moronic and suicidal move by Hitler from the beginning.

And taking sides between two evil regimes is not justified either way.

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Harry Truman is my favourite US President, so, er, needless to say, I don't agree with the article posted. Tedious, clichéd isolationism, IMHO.

What is it with people on this forum thinking they can get away with attacking any anti-war, anti-mass murder, anti-militarism, pro-life positions as "isolationism"? Cut it out.

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TBH, I lost interest in the article once it called Nazism "another type of socialism" (paraphrasing).

Whether National Socialism is a variant of socialism or not is not relevant to the thesis of the OP. I suggest reading beyond that point.

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Dropping atomic bombs on civilian cities is a pretty loaded action, y'know.

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Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

Japan surrender? lol. they are all about dying with pride.

http://worldwar2database.com/html/japansurrender.htm

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http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/hamby.htm

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Thanks for debunking the usual crap fed to people about this, Libertas.

The sad thing is that history just keeps repeating itself.

People scoff at the notion that as unpopular a failure as George W. Bush would one day have the history books vindicate him as a great president, and yet that's precisely what happened to Harry S Truman over the years.

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I'll state my opinion as bluntly, and as crassly, really, as I can:

Harry Truman was, in Atlas lingo, a 'FF' and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was (IMO) morally right. The Japanese government were fanatics, and the bombings were absolutely necessary to break the morale of the nation.

Really, it's rare that a politician, President or not, makes a decision of that kind of importance, and it probably takes a politician of Truman's moral fortitude to make it, but he did the right thing. I really do believe that.

You guys ever hear of the Potsdam Declaration? Basically, Truman, Stalin and Churchill/Attlee declared that, if Japan didn't surrender immediately, they would face "prompt and utter destruction". Japan were warned, and they didn't surrender. They rejected the ultimatum.

In fact, the Japanese Prime Minister, Suzuki, treated the declaration with mokusatsu, which loosely translates as "to kill with silence", an expression of contempt. So any rubbish about Japan being desperate to surrender, only to be murdered by, y'know, the 'evil Americans' is revisionist tripe at best.

So, that's why the Hiroshima bomb was necessary. Because - and I apologize for 'shouting', but this is important, JAPAN WEREN'T GOING TO SURRENDER. Even after the Nagasaki bombing there were hardliners in the military who wanted to fight on.

In response to Hiroshima, you might reasonably expect the Japanese to surrender. Nope. In fact, the Minister of War made preperations for martial law in attempt to prevent anyone from brokering a peace. You've got to understand the sheer fanaticism in the mentality of the Japanese military here.

In fact, it wasn't until after the two blows of

a) The Hirsohima bombing

and

b) The Soviet Union declaring war on Japan

that Suzuki et al began to even contemplate surrender. And even after Nagasaki the Cabinet didn't manage to come to a consensus - it took an intervention from Hirohito himself, along with the belief that the Americans had even more atom bombs, to allow for surrender.

I get that thinking that "killing" = "inherently bad", is an easy axiom to cling to, but try to imagine an Allied invasion of Japan for a moment, and imagine how many millions - tens of millions - would have died.

Yeah.

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EDIT: I'll confess to using the phrase "moral fortitude" with the intent of annoying people. The rest stands.

So basically you just repeated the standard old narrative justifying Truman's act of mass-murder, even though that's already been addressed and debunked in this thread.

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Thanks for debunking the usual crap fed to people about this, Libertas.

The sad thing is that history just keeps repeating itself.

People scoff at the notion that as unpopular a failure as George W. Bush would one day have the history books vindicate him as a great president, and yet that's precisely what happened to Harry S Truman over the years.

Truman was largely unpopular over

a) Economic recession

b) Some corruption in his government

Destroying the economy, abusing his executive authority, having a terrible foreign policy, commiting acts of mass-murder...all of these came together to alienate just about everyone.

Just like George W. Bush.

Of course, as with Bush, it's hard to tell whether Truman was evil or just plain stupid. You can make arguments either way for both men.

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LOL! Just LOL.

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If Truman is any guide, Bush will certainly be remembered as one of the greats. Although Dubya's body count didn't quite match that of Harry S Truman.