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« on: June 22, 2010, 03:54:42 PM »
« edited: June 22, 2010, 04:08:08 PM by Senator Libertas »

Hell no. Total disaster on every front.

LBJ was quite possibly the worst president of the 20th century.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2010, 04:10:27 PM »

He also was horrible period and lacked any sense of ethics. He had a win at all costs mentality. Look at the 1964 campaign which he was guarranteed to win from the start. He even went so far as to bug Goldwater's campaign headquarters, yet no Watergate scandal or anything even close. Not to mention running some of the most vicious campaign attack ads in history, all in an election in which he himself regarded as a mere speedbump along the away.

There are many similarities between Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon. I am convinced that those are probably the only two presidents we've ever had who genuinely did not give a sh**t about the fate of the country and its people. True sociopaths.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2010, 06:41:11 PM »

He was a socialist who used the poor, elderly, and minorities for his own political gain. If it weren't for the GOP the civil rights bill would never have been passed.

It was introduced by a Democratic congressmen, by the way.
And LBJ could've vetoed it if he really wanted political gain.
And from everything I've read about him, he genuinely felt for the poor and minorities. The guy was a teacher when he was younger and taught Mexican kids who could barely speak English and he tried as hard as he could to give them a good education.

Uh, LBJ opposed civil rights throughout his career. Even when presidential aspirations caused him to flip-flop on the Civil Rights Act of 1957, Johnson's primary goal was to water it down as much as possible.

Johnson was a crooked lying sociopath who didn't care about anyone but himself and his own political ambition.

Johnson's agenda, foreign and domestic, was a total failure by any reasonable measure.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2010, 07:10:12 PM »

He was a socialist who used the poor, elderly, and minorities for his own political gain. If it weren't for the GOP the civil rights bill would never have been passed.

It was introduced by a Democratic congressmen, by the way.
And LBJ could've vetoed it if he really wanted political gain.
And from everything I've read about him, he genuinely felt for the poor and minorities. The guy was a teacher when he was younger and taught Mexican kids who could barely speak English and he tried as hard as he could to give them a good education.

Uh, LBJ opposed civil rights throughout his career. Even when presidential aspirations caused him to flip-flop on the Civil Rights Act of 1957, Johnson's primary goal was to water it down as much as possible.

Johnson was a crooked lying sociopath who didn't care about anyone but himself and his own political ambition.

Johnson's agenda, foreign and domestic, was a total failure by any reasonable measure.

He may have done that in '57 but with the '64 Act he fought tooth and nail to ensure it wasn't diluted, and was told by other Southern Democratics that it'd cost him his political career, however by then his views had changed and he fought for it's passage. He felt had Kennedy been alive it would've been watered down like the '57 bill.

People's opinions can change, and people's opinions in private and in public can contradict. Nixon created Affirmative Action for the most part and also is credited with fully desegregating schools yet in private believed blacks were ''just down from the trees.'' Politicians overall are weird people.

And I think he cared a lot about this nation, but that's just my opinion.


LBJ fought for the CRA of 64 because it's passage would add to his presidential prestige while it's defeat would have been an embarrassment. Johnson was a two-faced backstabbing bigot like Nixon; both were vile human beings.

"The Civil Rights program is a farce and a sham--an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty. I am opposed to that program. I have voted against the so-called poll tax repeal bill... I have voted against the so-called anti-lynching bill...I have voted against the FEPC."

--Lyndon B. Johnson
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2010, 08:33:24 PM »

"The Civil Rights program is a farce and a sham--an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty. I am opposed to that program. I have voted against the so-called poll tax repeal bill... I have voted against the so-called anti-lynching bill...I have voted against the FEPC."[/b]
--Lyndon B. Johnson

Cite?
http://books.google.com/books?id=Gq4c9XDOSxQC&pg=PA26&dq=%22Civil+Rights+program+is+a+farce+and+a+sham%22&hl=en&ei=WmMhTMqqJ8L78AbWneCfAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22Civil%20Rights%20program%20is%20a%20farce%20and%20a%20sham%22&f=false


http://books.google.com/books?id=N3Ypq7AqtxQC&pg=PA82&dq=%22Civil+Rights+program+is+a+farce+and+a+sham%22&hl=en&ei=WmMhTMqqJ8L78AbWneCfAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Civil%20Rights%20program%20is%20a%20farce%20and%20a%20sham%22&f=false
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2010, 08:59:56 PM »

He was a socialist who used the poor, elderly, and minorities for his own political gain. If it weren't for the GOP the civil rights bill would never have been passed.

It was introduced by a Democratic congressmen, by the way.
And LBJ could've vetoed it if he really wanted political gain.
And from everything I've read about him, he genuinely felt for the poor and minorities. The guy was a teacher when he was younger and taught Mexican kids who could barely speak English and he tried as hard as he could to give them a good education.

Uh, LBJ opposed civil rights throughout his career. Even when presidential aspirations caused him to flip-flop on the Civil Rights Act of 1957, Johnson's primary goal was to water it down as much as possible.

Johnson was a crooked lying sociopath who didn't care about anyone but himself and his own political ambition.

Johnson's agenda, foreign and domestic, was a total failure by any reasonable measure.

He may have done that in '57 but with the '64 Act he fought tooth and nail to ensure it wasn't diluted, and was told by other Southern Democratics that it'd cost him his political career, however by then his views had changed and he fought for it's passage. He felt had Kennedy been alive it would've been watered down like the '57 bill.

People's opinions can change, and people's opinions in private and in public can contradict. Nixon created Affirmative Action for the most part and also is credited with fully desegregating schools yet in private believed blacks were ''just down from the trees.'' Politicians overall are weird people.

And I think he cared a lot about this nation, but that's just my opinion.


LBJ fought for the CRA of 64 because it's passage would add to his presidential prestige while it's defeat would have been an embarrassment. Johnson was a two-faced backstabbing bigot like Nixon; both were vile human beings.

"The Civil Rights program is a farce and a sham--an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty. I am opposed to that program. I have voted against the so-called poll tax repeal bill... I have voted against the so-called anti-lynching bill...I have voted against the FEPC."

--Lyndon B. Johnson

Sounds more like something Goldwater or Ron Paul would say, seeing as they viewed the later Civil Rights Act as tyranny.

Um, no. Johnson's vitriol was directed against the most basic of civil rights protections being proposed under the Truman administration.

Barry Goldwater voted in favor of every piece of civil rights legislation prior to 1964, including the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the CRA of 1960. His objection to the 1964 act came from a principled opposition to two particular titles of that act which in his opinion went beyond the scope of the federal government.

Conservative Republican Robert A. Taft was criticized for supporting anti-lynching legislation by 'progressive' William Borah in 1936. It was Taft who in 1947 fought to prevent Mississippi Klansman Democrat Theodore Bilbo from taking his senate seat after a campaign of intimidation against black voters. It was Taft who drafted a civil rights proposal as early as 1946 and pledged the GOP to push the civil rights program in 1948, taking up the fight against poll taxes that year.

And Ron Paul supports civil rights, but was not in Congress then and has nothing to do with this.


So kindly spare me ignorant remarks like that in the future, please.
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