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« on: December 15, 2009, 06:55:37 PM »

Tax cannabis and prohibit it to those under 21?

Thanks, but no thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 07:04:28 PM »

Tax cannabis and prohibit it to those under 21?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Look, I agree with you, but we have to take baby-steps on this sort of thing. This would accomplish some of our goals. Think pragmatically.

Such a policy would further institutionalize the ageism established by MLDA 21.

There should be no age limitation. But even if so, tobacco is still 18 (or 19 in some states), why should cannabis be 21?


Between taxes and age limitations, people would still be buying illegally anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 07:17:29 PM »

Tax cannabis and prohibit it to those under 21?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Look, I agree with you, but we have to take baby-steps on this sort of thing. This would accomplish some of our goals. Think pragmatically.

Such a policy would further institutionalize the ageism established by MLDA 21.

There should be no age limitation. But even if so, tobacco is still 18 (or 19 in some states), why should cannabis be 21?


Between taxes and age limitations, people would still be buying illegally anyway.

There's a bigger victory to be won for all the minimal losses we might take in the process.

Well its a lot easier for you to say since you're going to be 21 in a month...
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 10:55:42 PM »

Tax cannabis and prohibit it to those under 21?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Look, I agree with you, but we have to take baby-steps on this sort of thing. This would accomplish some of our goals. Think pragmatically.

Such a policy would further institutionalize the ageism established by MLDA 21.

There should be no age limitation. But even if so, tobacco is still 18 (or 19 in some states), why should cannabis be 21?


Between taxes and age limitations, people would still be buying illegally anyway.

There's a bigger victory to be won for all the minimal losses we might take in the process.

Well its a lot easier for you to say since you're going to be 21 in a month...

If we get it legalized now, then we have essentially created space in public discourse with which to hammer away at the age restrictions later. If it stays illegal based on principle, then that space is not there and we cannot say we tried to act on our principles when the opportunity presented itself.

If you were black, would you march side-by-side with whites for a bill that only legalized marijuana for whites?
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 11:19:55 PM »

So you would all be cheering on a proposal like this too?

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 11:22:24 PM »

Libertas would be 21 less than a year after this took effect anyway.
So what? Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 11:28:43 PM »

It'd make it easier for people underage to get pot too. It's not like there's much difficulty in people under 21 getting alcohol.
That's not the point. People of all ages can get pot now anyway. All this would do is further institutionalize state-sanctioned discrimination against youth.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2009, 12:17:00 AM »

Suburbs are epic fail. Live in an area that has serious crime so the cops have more important things to do than harass underage drinkers and potheads. Minneapolis doesn't really enforce either.
I've been in such an area, and the cops would much rather bust a house full of adults exercising their freedoms and get their picture in the paper than go deal with real crimes.
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2009, 07:42:13 AM »

I'm all for complete drug legalisation, but I wouldn't be opposed to an age restriction either. Marijuana does have negative effects on adolescent minds.. although I'm still torn on the issue. If they aren't legally adults, should it be left to their parents? Should the freedom of being able to do whatever you want with your body override the benefits of letting adolescent minds develop normally? Don't know.

While I oppose any and all age restrictions, people aged 18-20 are legally adults. They are just considered second-class citizens whose rights may be trampled upon by the law in the U.S.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2009, 07:43:17 AM »

Also abuse of any substance will have undesirable effects on the mind of someone of any age.
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