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FallenMorgan
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« on: December 27, 2011, 12:51:17 AM »

Oh look, it's this thread again.
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 12:52:00 AM »

Even if Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is certainly the top choice of white supremacists and anti-Zionists. And he refuses to reject their support.

Anti-Zionism isn't a bad thing, bro.  It's not the same thing as antisemitism.
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 02:57:50 PM »

Even if Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is certainly the top choice of white supremacists and anti-Zionists. And he refuses to reject their support.

Anti-Zionism isn't a bad thing, bro.  It's not the same thing as antisemitism.

The problem is that anti-zionism is used by many as a cover for their underlying anti-semitism. I don't know what exactly is going on in Ron Paul's mind, though.

Lolno
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 03:10:19 PM »

Even if Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is certainly the top choice of white supremacists and anti-Zionists. And he refuses to reject their support.

Anti-Zionism isn't a bad thing, bro.  It's not the same thing as antisemitism.

The problem is that anti-zionism is used by many as a cover for their underlying anti-semitism. I don't know what exactly is going on in Ron Paul's mind, though.

Lolno
What exactly is anti-zionism? Is it the belief that Israel should not exist, or is it the belief that Israel should return to pre-1967 borders?

Generally opposition to zionism -- the idea that the Jews should have their own theocratic little reich.  As there are Jews who are anti-zionist, to say anti-zionism is antisemitic is dildos.

Even if Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is certainly the top choice of white supremacists and anti-Zionists. And he refuses to reject their support.

Anti-Zionism isn't a bad thing, bro.  It's not the same thing as antisemitism.

The problem is that anti-zionism is used by many as a cover for their underlying anti-semitism. I don't know what exactly is going on in Ron Paul's mind, though.

Lolno

Indeed, I believe that the almost pathological obsession many Israel bashers have with that tiny country is probably rooted in antisemitism. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism per se, but in many cases these two concepts go hand in hand. (and for the record: I interpret anti-zionism = Israel should not exist)

It's more likely rooted in the fact that Israel is an apartheid state.
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 03:26:16 PM »

Even if Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is certainly the top choice of white supremacists and anti-Zionists. And he refuses to reject their support.

Anti-Zionism isn't a bad thing, bro.  It's not the same thing as antisemitism.

The problem is that anti-zionism is used by many as a cover for their underlying anti-semitism. I don't know what exactly is going on in Ron Paul's mind, though.

Lolno
What exactly is anti-zionism? Is it the belief that Israel should not exist, or is it the belief that Israel should return to pre-1967 borders?

Generally opposition to zionism -- the idea that the Jews should have their own theocratic little reich.  As there are Jews who are anti-zionist, to say anti-zionism is antisemitic is dildos.

Even if Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is certainly the top choice of white supremacists and anti-Zionists. And he refuses to reject their support.

Anti-Zionism isn't a bad thing, bro.  It's not the same thing as antisemitism.

The problem is that anti-zionism is used by many as a cover for their underlying anti-semitism. I don't know what exactly is going on in Ron Paul's mind, though.

Lolno

Indeed, I believe that the almost pathological obsession many Israel bashers have with that tiny country is probably rooted in antisemitism. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism per se, but in many cases these two concepts go hand in hand. (and for the record: I interpret anti-zionism = Israel should not exist)

It's more likely rooted in the fact that Israel is an apartheid state.
Well, I mean, do anti-zionists not believe that Israel should exist, or should they just reform their laws? You could say the same thing about a lot of Arab countries. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria and maybe Turkey (what with the Kurds) are all good examples of "apartheid states"

Not sure.  But when most people say Israel shouldn't exist, they don't mean the nation should be destroyed.
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 10:31:04 PM »

Sorry for the semantic (Semitic?) distraction.

Lets just say that if you are holed up in a cabin full of guns looking for black helicopters, or if you rail against the "jewish banking cartel" in control of the world or if you are in a militia training to fight "the beast" government or if you worry about the "mixing of the races"...then you might be a redneck Paul supporter

Sure, but that's about as valid as criticizing Obama because Nation of Islam folks liked him.
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