Eva Murry falsely accuses Biden of complimenting her breasts

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For the millionth time: We should have nominated Bernie.

Republicans would be throwing these same stories at Bernie, or Warren, or Pete, or anyone we nominated. They literally promised to do so in 2018 as revenge for Kavanaugh.

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I expect more false allegations against Biden going forward. He's very vulnerable right now.

Accusations that have been discredited will inoculate the target to some degree against future accusations.  It's the "boy who cried wolf" principle.

They basically already have.

Anyone want to conspiracize that Reade and Murry actually want Biden to win and did this on purpose as a kind of political vaccination for him? (Obviously no, it's not true, but I bet someone will say it at some point.)

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Murry apparently says she doesn't believe that Biden wasn't there:

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/biden-campaign-provides-documents-to-dispute-eva-murry-sexual-harassment-allegation/

In a Facebook post, Murry is standing by her account.

“The Biden campaign is now trying to make it seem like Joe Biden never even attended the event (that year) they are saying he had a sinus infection and sent some one is his place, only that year,” she wrote. “They are saying he attended all the other years EXCEPT the one year my incident happened. This is crazy to me and saddens me.”

“I just wanted to post this to say, I am NOT lying I never was lying and I stick with my original truth, and that won’t change,” she added.

Is there another event that Biden and O'Donnell could have conceivably both been at in 2008?

Since O'Donnell was a random nobody opponent, I would presume they didn't have a debate or anything, and since Biden was also running for VP it's not like was really campaigning at all for the office.

I'm wondering if she has to double down because there's just no other time she would have crossed paths with him.

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Alternate theory - someone really said that to her, but it was actually someone else who fits Biden's general description?

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Alternate theory - someone really said that to her, but it was actually someone else who fits Biden's general description?

I do think this is a possibility. 400 people in a crowded ball room, a majority of whom are old white men. Probably not that hard to mix them up.

Joe Biden was the Vice Presidential nominee and the guy her aunt was running against.

Yeah, I'm just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Also, the event was in May 2008, so Biden was months away from being selected for VP, and O'Donnell (and for that matter Biden) wasn't even the nominee yet because Delaware doesn't do Senate primaries until September (!)

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She had 7 friends corroborate her story and it's a complete lie? That calls into question the value of "corroborating witnesses" for future claims of sexual harassment and assault in politics. She got 7 people to lie for her.

I believe they confirmed that Murry told them about it years ago, not that they personally heard Biden say this.

We'll probably never know whether Murry lied or mistook someone else from Biden - I doubt anyone's going to speak up and say that he was actually the one who said it.

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Seems unlikely that Biden would be going to political events in Delaware while he was VP. Can't say for certain, obviously. And Murry's insistence that she was 14 at the time makes it unlikely that she got the year wrong anyway.

So either she mistook the identity (though O'Donnell claiming to be there makes that less likely), or she lied (although it seems unlikely that O'Donnell would go along with that too).

Is it too contrived to speculate mistaken identity AND O'Donnell's claim to have witnessed it directly is a false memory because she's heard the story so many times intrafamily over the last 12 years?

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Oh, possibility #3 - O'Donnell also mistook another man for Biden because she'd never met him before.

Pretty implausible, but she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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C'mon, man!

The Democratic Left said it.  "BelieveAllWomen".  People either mean what they say or they don't.

I'm still looking for an example of someone using the "Believe All Women" line unironically. "Believe Women," sure, but "Believe All Women" sounds like a Republican strawman. Searching on Twitter, that's all I see.

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C'mon, man!

The Democratic Left said it.  "BelieveAllWomen".  People either mean what they say or they don't.

I'm still looking for an example of someone using the "Believe All Women" line unironically. "Believe Women," sure, but "Believe All Women" sounds like a Republican strawman. Searching on Twitter, that's all I see.

https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/believeallwomen/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/believeallwomen-takes-another-blow-time-military/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/opinion/metoo-sexual-harassment-believe-women.html

No, it's not a Republican strawman.  Bari Weiss's article goes back to 2017.

Which women do we believe, and at what points do we believe them?  Because this whole thing makes the issue appear to be one where we #BelieveWomenWhoAccuseTheOtherParty'sCandidate.  And, yes, there are many Republicans who have lived by this creed.  But it's the Democrats whose awful advocacy on this issue has done the most damage to Due Process and the Presumption of Innocence for criminal defendants with their advocacy.  It's Democrats who have the present need to walk back the absurd position and take some responsibility for the absurdity when clarifying it.

You linked me an instagram search full of conservatives mocking the idea of #BelieveAllWomen and two articles from anti #MeToo writers being like "hey, I guess it's not ALL women is it??"

So ... exactly what I said would be out there. It's mind-boggling that you actually thought that posting those links would be what I'm looking for, when I made it clear that I'd already seen that kind of thing and wanted some source of a liberal (well, really a pro-#MeToo) saying it unironically.

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In Fuzzy's mind Bari Weiss is probably considered a fire-breathing liberal.

And even if she is, unless she has unironically said that ALL women must be believed, no matter what the evidence suggests, it doesn't answer my question.