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« on: June 21, 2019, 02:36:37 PM »

And these are the same people who are ready to say "well, let's not rush to judgment" anytime a Republican is caught doing something wrong. Some Conservatives care nothing about justice when it comes to persons of color or people they don't like.

As much as I hate that there are people in my party like this they aren't even close to being a majority.  Without us evil Republicans the Civil Rights Acts never would have been passed.

That was decades ago. If the Civil Rights Acts had been set to expire in 2019 and were up for renewal today, it's unlikely they would pass through the Senate and get signed into law, at least without some major watering down.
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2019, 03:56:25 PM »

And these are the same people who are ready to say "well, let's not rush to judgment" anytime a Republican is caught doing something wrong. Some Conservatives care nothing about justice when it comes to persons of color or people they don't like.

As much as I hate that there are people in my party like this they aren't even close to being a majority.  Without us evil Republicans the Civil Rights Acts never would have been passed.

That was decades ago. If the Civil Rights Acts had been set to expire in 2019 and were up for renewal today, it's unlikely they would pass through the Senate and get signed into law, at least without some major watering down.

Are you seriously suggesting that there would be less support for civil rights 55 years later?  Both parties are way less racist than they were in 1964.

McConnell probably wouldn't even bring it up for a vote. Liberals in the media would cry and Republican politicians would bask in their tears to look cool to the base. Fox News and talk radio would drone on and on about how racism is dead and they aren't necessary anymore and how blacks just want to be better than whites.

So, yes, I strongly and vehemently stand by my statement that if it the various civil rights acts from the 1960s had to be renewed during the Trump Presidency, they wouldn't be. I do think they would be renewed in some kind of hypothetical national popular vote, but not by the current Congress/president, not without some edits.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2019, 08:51:22 PM »

I've tried to be polite and respectful during my five years on this forum but several people in this thread are not interested in having a rational discussion.  If you think that more Republicans are racist in 2019 than in 1964 I can't possibly have a worthwhile discussion with you.

Cut the theatrics. I never said Republicans are more racist necessarily in 2019 than 1964. However, it cannot be denied that Republican politicians pander to the worst elements of their base a whole lot more nowadays than they did then.

We both know there is a 100% chance that conservative media sources would be flipping out about how awful the Civil Rights legislation is if it were up for renewal. And we both know that Trump, Mitch, and Senate Republicans dig in harder the more Democrats and liberal media try to shame them. Thus, it is very likely that they would refuse to renew the acts using some kind of "racism isn't a real problem anymore" and "supporters of this are the REAL racists!" BS logic.

(See how Republicans reacted to the Supreme Court striking down the Voting Rights Act if you want a real example. Or how in 2005, 8 Republicans refused to cosponsor a bill saying that lynching was bad. Or how by 2018 when all Republicans did agree to say lynching was bad, the Republican House refused to pass it. As I predicted.)
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2019, 07:22:44 PM »

Mainstream conservatives believe that race should almost never be a factor in anything.  That's basically what the 1964 CRA says.  Also, it looks like the Democrat-controlled House hasn't passed the bill either.

It's working its way through Committees. It will pass. (In fairness, I will publicly eat crow if Pelosi decides to pull it, or if the Democrats vote it down.)
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