FBI search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago (Update: Trump Indicted!)

[citizenZ]

This will not be a good thing for a midterm with Biden's approval so low. Could wind up motivating Republicans.

[citizenZ]

This will not be a good thing for a midterm with Biden's approval so low. Could wind up motivating Republicans.

They’d better have something serious on him.

If they don’t, Trump will become a martyr.

I keep seeing this take now from doomers and Republicans and I think it’s idiotic. Hillary never was indicted or convicted of anything related to the emails, didn’t stop them from damaging her fatally. A cloud of suspicion can be enough.

It's a slippery slope though. This guy lost an election and still received 74 million votes.

[citizenZ]

They’d better have something serious on him.

If they don’t, Trump will become a martyr.

I keep seeing this take now from doomers and Republicans and I think it’s idiotic. Hillary never was indicted or convicted of anything related to the emails, didn’t stop them from damaging her fatally. A cloud of suspicion can be enough.

Being realistic doesn’t mean I’m being a doomer.

I do think this makes him much less likely to be the Reputation nominee in 2024. Like, extremely less likely. I think it likely kills any chance he had, tbh.

I still say he’d become a martyr if they don’t have something concrete.

I worry he is easier to beat than DeSantis though, and if this hurts Trump, it helps DeSantis.

[citizenZ]

I have a sense this may motivate the Republicans.

[citizenZ]

Looks interesting that Trump was responding to subpoena already. It makes the raid look more excessive to the public at large.

I'm kind of surprised by the rally behind Trump even from Senate and House leadership as well as some left-leaners like Geraldo and Cuomo.

[citizenZ]

What do you think is in it that would be damning enough for people to bail on him? The 74 million voters he got in 2020 when he lost?

[citizenZ]

Just thinking out loud about why he would want nuke info.

https://twitter.com/highbrow_nobrow/status/1557886569159196675?s=20&t=uxzzcf...

Wow you guys are really wishing upon a star here 

[citizenZ]

So on face value if this was true, the FBI just allowed nuclear documents to sit in the Mar a Lago for 18 months..

Or no one noticed they were gone.

I'm skeptical. It's always "unnamed sources" and "unseen documents" and these things always fall flat.

The only way to stop Trump will be in November 2024.

[citizenZ]

There are no excuses or mitigating factors that would save him.

Well, 74 million people voted for him when he lost...so let's wait and see on that.

[citizenZ]

Man, if George Will and David Brooks are skeptical, that tells me it really probably won't amount to much. Even if it does, executive privilege is a really, really important thing.

The American people gave Trump alot of breathing space when they elected him in 2016.

[citizenZ]

Both George Will and David Brooks have columns out which can be read as anti-DOJ which is a good sense of where Never Trumpers fall on this issue. Their instinct is to circle the wagons and attack the messenger.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/fbi-trump-mar-a-lago-raid.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/11/merrick-garland-explain-mar-a-lago-search/

The above are the links to the two opinion pieces. Both are behind paywalls, and I only pay for the NYT. Brooks is most definitely not in the tank for Trump. He is just worried that it will reanimate Trump. George Will I cannot access behind the WAPO paywall,  but he says in his headline that Garland needs to show his hand.

Both articles are from yesterday and thus stale, since Garland did his thing (so check Will off the list), and we know that highly sensitive documents were in play threatening the national security. Presumably a further explanation will be made as to why the documents were not turned over pursuant to the subpoena and what led the DOJ to believe that Trump was stonewalling, and thus the need for surprise ala a search warrant.

If after all of that, Trump is in fact reanimated, then the point is not that Brooks is an enabler, it is that the half the American electorate is one sick puppy, which is Brooks’s point.

I see people on here saying that Trump 2024 wouldn't even get 40 million votes...when the guy just lost with 74 million a year and a half ago.

The amount of delusion is insane.

[citizenZ]

As I mentioned day ago, the American people electing him in 2016 gave him alot of power. Executive privilege is a very powerful thing.

Mediocre trolling aside, only a complete moron would believe the president can will his private citizen self government property, particularly after being fired by the electorate.

Government secrets, the White House, Air Force One, the Resolute Desk, the silverware, and busts of Abraham Lincoln belong to the people's government, not disgruntled former employees.

So the ACLU and every liberal hated the "Espionage Act" for decades, but now they like it to try and go after Trump?

I think the best result is to let the American people decide his fate at the ballot box.

[citizenZ]

So the ACLU and every liberal hated the "Espionage Act" for decades, but now they like it to try and go after Trump?

I think the best result is to let the American people decide his fate at the ballot box.

So you're completely abandoning your previous nonsense argument?

I don't care what your strawmen or the ACLU think of the Espionage Act and I don't care what you think about handling a moron gangster who sends goons after his enemies.

Also pathetic that you're pretending this is about his candidacy. The American people did decide his fate at the ballot box and he abused the presidency in an attempt to take that power away from us because we fired him. King Loser hasn't announced a new candidacy and he should be equal under the law whether he does or not.

It will look like liberals are:

1. Persecuting him.
2. Afraid to run against him in another general election

It makes him into a martyr for about 1/4 of the population of the United States.

https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1558101401829531649

[citizenZ]

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My guess is even if Trump gets convicted he would not be put in the regular prison system . The DOJ probably would use an abandoned military base or even a property of his and then just fence it off .

Maybe to assuage Trump's ego, we can give him the Napoleon treatment and just make him Emperor of Niihau. He got 100% of the vote there, so he could be surrounded by fans for the rest of his life.

You realize he starts 2024 with the Republican Nomination, and a minimum of 74 million voters and 235 electoral votes, right?

[citizenZ]

https://usrimg-850.fark.net/n/np/fark_np_n8OzA6X7_y8wdzZug5XBFuGM.png

My guess is even if Trump gets convicted he would not be put in the regular prison system . The DOJ probably would use an abandoned military base or even a property of his and then just fence it off .

Maybe to assuage Trump's ego, we can give him the Napoleon treatment and just make him Emperor of Niihau. He got 100% of the vote there, so he could be surrounded by fans for the rest of his life.

You realize he starts 2024 with the Republican Nomination, and a minimum of 74 million voters and 235 electoral votes, right?

That's a pretty poor reflection on those 74 million.

A vote is a vote is a vote.

[citizenZ]

Who cares how many votes Trump got? How many people watched the Cosby Show at one point or another? Popularity doesn't make you above the law, no matter how much conservatives wish that were the case.

If Trump was a crazy with 3,000 supporters, it's one thing.

President of the United States who lost with 74 million votes and is currently leading for the nomination of one of the two major parties and in some cases, leads general election polling?

That's a whole different story.

[citizenZ]

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My guess is even if Trump gets convicted he would not be put in the regular prison system . The DOJ probably would use an abandoned military base or even a property of his and then just fence it off .

Maybe to assuage Trump's ego, we can give him the Napoleon treatment and just make him Emperor of Niihau. He got 100% of the vote there, so he could be surrounded by fans for the rest of his life.

You realize he starts 2024 with the Republican Nomination, and a minimum of 74 million voters and 235 electoral votes, right?

That's a pretty poor reflection on those 74 million.

It's also a completely unjustified assumption that he would start with the same level of support he had in 2020.  Trump lost electoral votes and share of the popular vote from 2016 to 2020, so he could certainly do the same from 2020 to 2024.  In fact, polling suggests that he likely would do so.

He went from 62 million in 2016 to 74 million in 2020. Assuming lower turnout, less mail in voting due to COVID being over, I still say he should win 75-80 million votes in 2024.

[citizenZ]

Justice Department asks appeals court to intervene in Mar-a-Lago classified documents fight

The Justice Department on Friday asked an appeals court to put on hold parts of a judge’s order requiring a third-party review of the materials seized last month at Mar-a-Lago.

In its request with the 11th US Circuit Court of Appeals, the Justice Department says it wants the court to allow its criminal investigators to review the materials marked as classified and for the court to exclude those documents from the special master’s review of the search.

The department sought the intervention after District Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday rejected prosecutors’ request that they be allowed to restart their criminal investigation into the classified documents, which they said was necessary for assessing the national security risks in how the materials had been handled.

“The court’s order hamstrings that investigation and places the FBI and Department of Justice (DOJ) under a Damoclean threat of contempt should the court later disagree with how investigators disaggregated their previously integrated criminal-investigative and national-security activities,” the Justice Department wrote.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/politics/mar-a-lago-justice-department-appeal/index.html

Emergency stay sought.

Doubtful it gets granted. The Courts aren't going to see any reason why an independent third party cannot review and/or publicize what was in the documents.

Perhaps the Biden DOJ is concerned it isn't as damning as they make it out to be.