Office of Mideast Governor Inks.LWC

[Badger]

Will there be a special election sometime soon after the appointment?

[Badger]

Thank you Mr Governor, it's a great honour.

Congragulations on the appointment, SC, and I wish you, Kyle and Peter a good campaign!

[Badger]

(Also posted in the Mideast Assembly Thread):

A point of order: Article III, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the Mideast Region Constitution states:

"Should the Assembly pass ordinary legislation by a majority vote, then the Governor may sign such legislation into Law, or veto such legislation. A veto may be overturned upon the unanimous vote of the Assembly."

Does the unanimous Assembly vote passing the Freedom to Roam Bill by itself override the Governor's recent veto, or must a separate new Assembly vote to override the veto be held?

If the latter: Pursuant to the above-referenced section of the Mideast Constitution I move to override the 8/24/09 Gubernatorial Veto of the Mideast Freedom to Roam Bill.

While doing so, I also repeat my previous call for Governor Inks to offer proposals addressing his concerns over the bill. While I would oppose any measure that would fundamentally undercut the bill's basic goals, my hope is those goals might still be achieved with reasonable bipartisan compromise.

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Inks.LWC

Most excellent your Govship! :-)

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Inks.LWC

Thanks Gov.

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With respect, Governor, I object to certification of the final vote as stated by the tracker.

I believe the issue of Al's vote must be resolved. This is not merely a minor issue over whether I received the most 1st pref votes, but whether Ben Constine was elected instead of OfficePark. I'll take time to review the statute closer after tomorrow (jury trial), but based on the precedence of the exact same occurrence in September's Assembly election, Ben won the 5th seat fair and square.

[Badger]

I'd just like to point out that it's not illegal to cast more than 5 votes - it's just utterly pointless.

Again - my ruling stands unless an official lawsuit is filed, in which case I will then appoint a Superior Court Justice.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=105522.0

For the record, I strongly endorse appointing Peter to hear this case. I believe he's the only one with both the legal acumen, knowledge of Mideast history, and reputation for impartiality to hear this case.

[Badger]

I'd just like to point out that it's not illegal to cast more than 5 votes - it's just utterly pointless.

Again - my ruling stands unless an official lawsuit is filed, in which case I will then appoint a Superior Court Justice.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=105522.0

For the record, I strongly endorse appointing Peter to hear this case. I believe he's the only one with both the legal acumen, knowledge of Mideast history, and reputation for impartiality to hear this case.

And also, because he's a liberal who voted for you and has a consistant liberal voting record.

If you knew Peter and his reputation even marginally, you'd realize just what an utter piece of hackish epic fail your comment is.

EDIT:

Ditto to Office Park.

[Badger]

My comment was directed at Badger, and meant in no way to "disrespect" Peter. Peter is a good man, full of integrity. I was just pointing out, almost in a joking way, that another reason Badger probably liked him is because they were close politically. Some of you forget this is a game, and blow little comments way out of proportion.

I'm not being a partisan hack. Actually, I'd personally prefer a moderate take the role in this case.

Badger, quit trying to act like you've been on Atlasia forever, because you've been here less than me. My comments were 100% true. Peter is liberal. There's nothing disrespectful about pointing that out.

This just proves one of the things that has been bugging me about Atlasia. People forget that it's just a game, and get way too defensive.

First: Office park: You're wrong. If you had suggested Peter I would've immediately concurred in the wise choice. I think I have a perfect right to chime in on suggestions for an impartial judge, particularly as it's my vote that was miscounted. I just filed suit on behalf of myself and Ben, BTW.

Tmth: Yes, you've been here a few months longer than I. Which means you should know just how perfect Peter is for this role because, as you said yourself, is a good man full of integrity. If I wanted to "stack the deck" by suggesting a political ally to be a shill as judge, Peter is the last guy I'd want.

Like I said, he's the guy for the role. If you choose to believe I suggested him because he's "a liberal" (at least compared to you and Office Park) and not because of his impartiality and experience, then you are simply incorrect.

[Badger]

Peter is one of the first guys you'd want if it went politically, actually. He's close to you on politics, and he preferenced you first in the Assembly.
Once again, I never questioned Peter's integrity at all, and it kind of ticks me off how you guys jump on me for doing that, when I made no post referring to that. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I still think one of your motives for supporting Peter for this is because he's a liberal. Actually, since you are, I believe what you'd call a petitioner, you probably aren't in the best position anyways to be making suggestions for who to serve on this.

Tmth, do you think you're the only person who's observed Peter's integrity and fairness? Isn't it possible that that is the reason I concurred with (another petitioner) Purple State's recommendation? I'm more familiar with my motives than you, so let me explain to you that that was my motivation, not politics.

Also, when you talk about Peter's integrity and insist you weren't maligning his ability to hear this case in one breath, then in the next state how you'd "like a moderate to hear the case"---clearly implying Peter's political views would cloud his fairly hearing this case---that rather undermines your argument.

[Badger]

I regret that this designation has turned to have political aspects. Our fellow Assemblyman Badger shouldn't have made his "recommendation" to our Governor public.
What I want to say, on principles, but with great humility, as I think we can trust our Governor on this:

- the panel of judges should be designated so that ties should be avoided; 3 seems to be the best number;

- the panel of judges must not automatically include only Mideasterners; on the contrary, having 1 Mideasterner and 2 Atlasians from other regions is a guarantee of both knowledge and neutrality and so of a judgement more likely to be well received;

- the panel of judges should be morally unquestionable and, if possible, politically balanced (I wouldn't have said this last point, hadn't Badger made his recommendation public).

I've made some suggestions to our Governor and have informed the current Assemblymen of my suggestions.

I hope all this will be settled quietly in the interest of the Mideast.

Thanks for your time and your attention, Mr. Governor.
Thanks to all our citizens who have taken part in the November elections.

Perhaps you're right, Fab. I figured since Purple State (another litigant in this case as well) had already made that suggestion publically without anyone objecting that my agreeing with PS's view would help lead to a consensus choice for the most obvious candidate with a sterling reputation for integrity. Boy, was I obviously wrong. :-P

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Inks.LWC

:-)

[Badger]

Mr. Governor:

Understanding that appointing a replacement to the Assembly is your prerogative, there is at least one current vacancy in the Assembly, and possibly one or two more depending on the election this weekend and whether Giovanni ever resurfaces. With that in mind may I suggest appointing BenConstine to the Assembly? He certainly has the experience within this region. His support in the last election was impressive and broad-based, falling just short of being elected.

As a final note from our recent litigation, I PM'd Al right after Peter's decision and it turns out Al did intend for the "George Orwell" first pref to be passed over and transfer to me after all. Just as it was in September's election which apparently led him to believe the vote would be similarly counted this time. This, of course, would've resulted in Ben's election. Unfortunately, Peter--as smart as he is and still holding my support for CJO--was incorrect in determining a lack of intent in Al's vote. Al also should've been legally able to recast his vote in light of Peter's ruling based on his reasonable expectation his vote would be counted the same way as in September, but the seven day statute of limitations for challenging the certification passed the day before Peter's verdict and my discovery from Al.

While I accept the ruling, the point is the will of the electorate was to elect Ben, and it was a misinterpretation by yourself in counting Al's vote in September's election led to his ballot being similarly miscast last month, and thus directly resulted in Ben's defeat by error.

Hey, by appointing him it's the best of both worlds where OfficePark and Ben both win! :-)
Seriously though, with the sudden looming vacancypolooza, the Assembly could greatly use an experienced moderate person with tangable public support to help guide it in the coming session.

Please seriously consider it.

[Badger]

Mr. Governor:

Understanding that appointing a replacement to the Assembly is your prerogative, there is at least one current vacancy in the Assembly, and possibly one or two more depending on the election this weekend and whether Giovanni ever resurfaces. With that in mind may I suggest appointing BenConstine to the Assembly? He certainly has the experience within this region. His support in the last election was impressive and broad-based, falling just short of being elected.

As a final note from our recent litigation, I PM'd Al right after Peter's decision and it turns out Al did intend for the "George Orwell" first pref to be passed over and transfer to me after all. Just as it was in September's election which apparently led him to believe the vote would be similarly counted this time. This, of course, would've resulted in Ben's election. Unfortunately, Peter--as smart as he is and still holding my support for CJO--was incorrect in determining a lack of intent in Al's vote. Al also should've been legally able to recast his vote in light of Peter's ruling based on his reasonable expectation his vote would be counted the same way as in September, but the seven day statute of limitations for challenging the certification passed the day before Peter's verdict and my discovery from Al.

While I accept the ruling, the point is the will of the electorate was to elect Ben, and it was a misinterpretation by yourself in counting Al's vote in September's election led to his ballot being similarly miscast last month, and thus directly resulted in Ben's defeat by error.

Hey, by appointing him it's the best of both worlds where OfficePark and Ben both win! :-)
Seriously though, with the sudden looming vacancypolooza, the Assembly could greatly use an experienced moderate person with tangable public support to help guide it in the coming session.

Please seriously consider it.

If we're talking about the will of the electorate, then a conservative should be filling Big Bad Fab's place, since he was a conservative.

BBF was not elected as a conservative.  He was elected because A) He was the incumbent and B) He was a good legislator.

^^^^^ this. Besides, I suspect Inks will have a chance to appoint BOTH a conservative (or two) AND Ben in the coming days.

[Badger]

Welcome to the Assembly!

[Badger]

Governor's Update 52

I am declaring the Assembly position supposed to be filled by Giovanni as vacant, and am appointing Benconstine to take Giovanni's spot on the Assembly.

Depending on the timing and results of the ongoing investigation and prosecution of Giovanni, I may or may not appoint him to the Assembly to replace Badger.

Inks.LWC

That's actually a fair, yet expidited, solution to the Assembly vacancies Gov.

[Badger]

Welcome to the assembly then, benconstine.

Yes, welcome!

[Badger]

Governor's Update 56

I've been working on the wiki all night - I've gotten another 26% of the legislation put onto the wiki.  For now I've run into a roadblock, so I'm going to stop for now, but now that I'm done working for the year, I hope to finish most of it up by this week.

Inks.LWC

Good show, Gov!