No more non-unanimous jury convictions: Alito accuses GOP colleagues of being cucks

[Badger]

So does this repeal Oregon’s non-unanimous conviction law

Almost surely, unless there is something extremely unusual and its wording to somehow distinguish it from this case, which I highly doubt.

[Badger]

Taking away somebody's freedom should be unanimous and beyond a reasonable doubt.

 Alito is a damn fool to not see the obvious links in America's criminal justice system and white supremacy. You often wonder what these people learned in school. What books did they read? Are they willfully ignorant or simply ignorant? Very sad that somebody so blind or uncaring about America's history like Alito can make it to the highest court in the land.

Are you willing yet to condemn ALL racism? The other day you seemed blind and uncaring to about 80% of potential racism in the world so if you're going to impugn the motives of a Supreme Court justice as being icky racism, itd be nice for you to at the very least condemn ALL racism yourself. It seemed like a pretty easy request then and instead you changed the subject twice and then refused to answer. Its kind of hard to take someone inferring that a neutral argument is "racist" seriously, when that same person refuses to acknowledge that more than just 20% of the world is capable of racism.

 
 What on Earth are you babbling about?

From the thread on expelling students for off-premesis internet comments.

From the thread on the expelled students for making a dehumanizing racist video against black people.

 What about it?

Hypothetically, if the 2 students had been say Samoan or Alaskan Inuit or something not white and did a Vine or whatever about 10 reasons why white people are devils, would you similarly demand that the public school expel them?

I guess like that (sat through 30 seconds and got bored) but with the Speaker being a minority and the targeted group being honkies. Should such a hypothetical minority student be expelled from public school for making the hypothetical video at home and posting it online with no identifying information about what school they attended? Asking for a friend.

Maybe? The news report talked over the video so I couldn't really make out what the student said. So what's your answer to the above hypothetical question (which is worded clearly enough without need for a real life example)?

BTW you must have forgotten to answer the above hypothetical question. It really isnt that hard.

I asked 4 times, and you dodged twice, ignored once, then never came back.

The answer to your above-referenced questions, is if a non-white student of Samoan or whatever ethnicity you choose made a video similarly racist and derogatory towards Caucasians, they would deserve the same punishment. There is a school of thought that non-whites can be prejudiced but not racist, because racism by definition is the combination of Prejudice plus institutional power which non-whites fundamentally lack. I didn't agree with it in college and don't agree with it now, as do most progressives.

[Badger]

Taking away somebody's freedom should be unanimous and beyond a reasonable doubt.

 Alito is a damn fool to not see the obvious links in America's criminal justice system and white supremacy. You often wonder what these people learned in school. What books did they read? Are they willfully ignorant or simply ignorant? Very sad that somebody so blind or uncaring about America's history like Alito can make it to the highest court in the land.

Are you willing yet to condemn ALL racism? The other day you seemed blind and uncaring to about 80% of potential racism in the world so if you're going to impugn the motives of a Supreme Court justice as being icky racism, itd be nice for you to at the very least condemn ALL racism yourself. It seemed like a pretty easy request then and instead you changed the subject twice and then refused to answer. Its kind of hard to take someone inferring that a neutral argument is "racist" seriously, when that same person refuses to acknowledge that more than just 20% of the world is capable of racism.

 
 What on Earth are you babbling about?

From the thread on expelling students for off-premesis internet comments.

From the thread on the expelled students for making a dehumanizing racist video against black people.

 What about it?

Hypothetically, if the 2 students had been say Samoan or Alaskan Inuit or something not white and did a Vine or whatever about 10 reasons why white people are devils, would you similarly demand that the public school expel them?

I guess like that (sat through 30 seconds and got bored) but with the Speaker being a minority and the targeted group being honkies. Should such a hypothetical minority student be expelled from public school for making the hypothetical video at home and posting it online with no identifying information about what school they attended? Asking for a friend.

Maybe? The news report talked over the video so I couldn't really make out what the student said. So what's your answer to the above hypothetical question (which is worded clearly enough without need for a real life example)?

BTW you must have forgotten to answer the above hypothetical question. It really isnt that hard.

I asked 4 times, and you dodged twice, ignored once, then never came back.

The answer to your above-referenced questions, is if a non-white student of Samoan or whatever ethnicity you choose made a video similarly racist and derogatory towards Caucasians, they would deserve the same punishment. There is a school of thought that non-whites can be prejudiced but not racist, because racism by definition is the combination of Prejudice plus institutional power which non-whites fundamentally lack. I didn't agree with it in college and don't agree with it now, as do most progressives.

Thank you Badger. That's all I wanted to hear since it did come up in a discussion about how a specific category of Constitutionally protected speech is soooo terrible and harmful and bad that Constitution be damnned, it needs to be punished. Had he REALLY felt that way, hey, you can make that argument fairly even if I think your wrong. But yeah, demanding racist enforcement of racist speech fundamentally undermines the argument.

I had something of a conversion in college over the whole hate speech/ Free Speech debate. While private institutions generally have great discretion in what type of conduct codes they enforce, I felt that even as a philosophical matter that enforcement of haste speech in those circumstances was reasonable and warranted. My rationale was that calling someone a racial epitaph did not in any way contribute, and indeed harmed, the open expression beliefs and discourse learning community. Succinctly put, whatever supposed gifts to free speech wer promulgated by not expelling a student for calling another student aspic for example, we're vastly outweighed bye the chilling it affect it would have on that student and other Hispanic students who heard about the incident from speaking their mine's for fear of similar harassment.

However, the other half of this debate was over what constituted hate speech and how readily it could be accurately identified so as not to inhibit free speech. It seems like a no-brainer. Hate speech isn't particularly subtle in either its content or meaning. It seems that the likelihood of punishing someone for hate speech for what was truly just something innocent. That change for me when an incident occurred around that time, which most of you are too young to remember, where a New York college student was initially sanctioned, though I believe it was later reversed, 4 Wenham group of African-American female students were being loud and noisy one night underneath his bedroom window oh, he poked his head out and yelled at Bender shut up you freaking water buffaloes. Calling them water buffaloes was deemed racist hate speech. Regardless of the propriety of yelling insults out his dorm room window, even at obnoxiously loud drunks, that seemed bizarre and a poor application of Campus hate speech policy. I've been suspicious, though not entirely dismissive, of such codes ever since.

[Badger]

You could have just said

I'm okay with some racism, I just won't admit it.

We all know that's what you meant.

 Two white kids make insanely racist social media video directed at black Americans.

 Atlas Posters: GP270watch is a racist!

 WTF

Such a fine line between edgy and stupid