State abortion laws megathread

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Here it is:
http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display/20192020/HB/481
I got mixed up about the state but I was thinking of the GA bill.

OK, I see.  So it seems the discussion about penalties was an extrapolation on the basis of an expansion of the definition of a person rather than something explicitly mentioned in the law.

I obviously don't know Georgia law, but just for comparison sake a crime need not specify complicity to the offense as being a crime within the statute itself. The general complicity statute basically makes it a crime to Aid, a bet, or encourage another to commit a crime. Heck, my someone being charged with the crime of complicity. If you are charged with assault, for example, you are considered to have legally also been charged with and put on notice for the charge of complicity to an assault.

Again, I don't know about Georgia law, but if it's anything remotely similar, then this absolutely can be applied to anyone assisting an abortion

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https://twitter.com/ReproRights/status/1139629010051313664

2 in 5 pregnancies ending in abortion in NYC isn't enough for them, apparently; now they need to subsidize abortion as an export.   absolutely revolting.

I think you're missing the point here. It's not about the number, it's about safe access and affordability if a woman is going to want one anyway.

If you are subsidizing something, it's because you don't think you have enough of it.  Let me know when they vote to give money to any pregnant women from anywhere who wants to give birth and I'll consider that they maybe don't just love abortions.

How else is NYC supposed to get rid of those "undesirable" black and Hispanic babies?

Yes, that is exactly what's going on here. The New York City Council, of which 24 out of 48 Democrats are African American and / Or Hispanic (plus two Asians) past this measure in order to exterminate their own people.

You are really having trouble trying to reconcile having turned your back on your once Progressive ideals in order to suck up to your Eagle Forum friends. Bad news, the result is you're not even an interesting troll anymore.

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From deepest darkest WV (McDowellCo)

https://www.register-herald.com/news/another-person-charged-in-case-that-included-a-juvenile-given/article_54d90627-f6da-5996-a0da-acca8fd34844.html

Man lives with a woman and her 15 yr old daughter.  Man was given "permission" to sleep with the 15 yr old daughter and knocks her up.  After a Morning After pill apparently failed, an aunt obtained turpentine and they gave it to the girl to drink to end the pregnancy.  Everybody in jail except the 15 yr old who is with child protective services and maybe still pregnant (doesn't say).

I don’t know how this is about abortion law.

A vision of what to expect if roe is overturned, or even if access to legal abortion is even further restricted to urban areas. There is currently only one abortion clinic in the entire State, several hours away in Parkersburg.

Now, I am not remotely suggesting that getting your fifteen-year-old daughter to drink turpentine after letting your adult boyfriend sleep with her is remotely in any way fathomable an excuse for not making the ride, but s*** like this will undoubtedly happen with greater and greater frequency

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Terrible. Roe should be gutted like a fish.

Just like women seeking abortions after repeal will be.

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SCOTUS might protect Alabama's law. Hopefully the SCOTUS takes Alabama's bait.

No they won't, take the bait expand Roe.

Unlikely to happen with the current court.

And I'm not sure if this could fit here, but this is unfortunate: https://news.yahoo.com/democratic-attorneys-general-association-impose-133934032.html. Now that Jim Hood, the last remaining pro-life Democratic Attorney General, is out the door, the Democrats are continuing their drift into the abyss. Adopting such a hardline position is a further reflection of how the Party's social liberalism has cost it electorally over time.

Well, Mississippi Democrats DID try their hardest electing a pro-life governor in Mississippi.

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SCOTUS might protect Alabama's law. Hopefully the SCOTUS takes Alabama's bait.

No they won't, take the bait expand Roe.

Unlikely to happen with the current court.

And I'm not sure if this could fit here, but this is unfortunate: https://news.yahoo.com/democratic-attorneys-general-association-impose-133934032.html. Now that Jim Hood, the last remaining pro-life Democratic Attorney General, is out the door, the Democrats are continuing their drift into the abyss. Adopting such a hardline position is a further reflection of how the Party's social liberalism has cost it electorally over time.

Well, Mississippi Democrats DID try their hardest electing a pro-choice governor in Mississippi.

What is this supposed to mean? You can't possibly be referring to Hood.

Sorry. I meant pro-life

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Pennsylvania’s republicans continue to embarrass...

A Pennsylvania bill would require death certificates for fertilized eggs that never implant in the uterus

https://www.businessinsider.com/pennsylvania-bill-would-require-death-certificates-for-fertilized-eggs-2019-11

W.T.F?!?

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Pennsylvania’s republicans continue to embarrass...

A Pennsylvania bill would require death certificates for fertilized eggs that never implant in the uterus

https://www.businessinsider.com/pennsylvania-bill-would-require-death-certificates-for-fertilized-eggs-2019-11

W.T.F?!?

Why are you even a Republican?

The. Law. Mandates. A. Medical. Procedure. Which. Does. Not. EXIST.

Opposing this bill doesn't equate to being a Democrat, but rather equates to simply not being an idiot.

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Pennsylvania’s republicans continue to embarrass...

A Pennsylvania bill would require death certificates for fertilized eggs that never implant in the uterus

https://www.businessinsider.com/pennsylvania-bill-would-require-death-certificates-for-fertilized-eggs-2019-11

W.T.F?!?

Why are you even a Republican?

The. Law. Mandates. A. Medical. Procedure. Which. Does. Not. EXIST.

Opposing this bill doesn't equate to being a Democrat, but rather equates to simply not being an idiot.

You also think the GOP's immigration stance is "white supremacy" etc etc. I'm not talking specifically here, but in general: why are you a Republican? I've literally never seen you right of center on anything.

I'll gladly re-register in the next primary. And yes, the naked oh, vile, and absolutely unsubtle racism that permeates Trump's immigration policy and the Republican party's embracing of it, is contemptible. Don't blather on about " border security". It's white antipathy towards the changing and Browning America.

Incidentally, in just about every argument you've ever made on any issue, you make a compelling case to switch parties.

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Judge overturns ban on abortions in Tennessee during Covid-19 crisis

A federal judge has barred the state of Tennessee from preventing abortions during a temporary ban on non-essential medical procedures to slow the spread of Covid-19.

US district judge, Bernard Friedman, said the defendants didn’t show that any appreciable amount of personal protective equipment (PPE) would be saved if the ban was applied to abortions.

In a hearing by phone on Friday, attorneys representing several state abortion clinics argued that Tennessee women would face immediate harm if the ban on abortions was not lifted.

I agree with this ruling in the fullest, preventing abortion during this time is a danger to those involved.

What an obvious trojan horse by Gov. Lee of all people to use the dangers of Covid to advance his social crusade, all the while minimizing the dangers of Covid towards every other aspect of public health and society. Shame!

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What I don’t understand is what happens if a girl was molested by her stepdad and how passing abortion control on 16 year olds just feels like passing abortion control on rape victims. Shouldn’t these types of situations be exceptions in abortion bans or abortion control? Why didn’t they do something like spousal consent? It could now probably be passed... And spousal consent would allow a direct challenge to C vs PP AND be more inline with the anti abortion movement as it has changed under Trump.

These laws all have some sort of arrangement for a judicial bypass in cases of rape or abuse that either waves the requirement or allows another responsible adult to fulfill the parental role.

You mean that a kid needs either parental consent or a lawyer?

One would expect a clinic would have the capability of getting in touch with a judge.

You mean they would have their own staff GAL? They don't practice law.

Attorneys frequently act as Guardians ad litem, and get appointed by the courts to do that job.