AOC's latest gaffe shows just how expensive Medicare for all would be

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I'm no fan of AOC.
That said, conservatives' obsession with her (especially when they turn a blind eye to the constant stream of BS flowing from the White House) is deeply disturbing and ought to be studied by psychiatrists.

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We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world, so obviously we can't afford to have some other healthcare system.

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I'm no fan of AOC.
That said, conservatives' obsession with her (especially when they turn a blind eye to the constant stream of BS flowing from the White House) is deeply disturbing and ought to be studied by psychiatrists.

Cortez Derangement Syndrome

I've said at least 40 bad things about Trump for every bad thing I've said about AOC.

I wish I had a dollar for every time an Atlas leftist used "but Trump!" as a response to criticism of a Democratic candidate.

To all, maybe because, a, trump literally says 10 times more stupid things, both in terms of quality and quantity, then literally every Democrat combined, and what's more B, AOC is a freshman Congress Woman versus Trump being the freaking POTUS makes 8 just teensy-weensy little bit of difference in importance.

Seriously. Ignoring the absolute sh**tbird craziness from Trump versus whatever latest gaffe AOC says is like ignoring armed robbery buy one side and focusing on jaywalking by the other. Justice response is literally as silly as saying I wish I had a dollar for everytime Democrats pointed out Trump's armed robbery for every time we point out some random Congress crater commits jaywalking.

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Being a freshman Congresswoman isn't an excuse for making such uninformed statements to the public. If she doesn't understand what she's talking about, as she's clearly displayed many times, she shouldn't talk about it like she does. That applies to any politician, including Trump. When she continues doing this, people are right to call her out on it. She doesn't deserve a free pass.

As much as the left wants to claim that the right has an obsession with AOC, they really should be questioning why she brings criticism upon herself so often instead of staying quiet on issues she doesn't understand and preparing for her new job.

Your criticism would have been more credible if the majority of the Republican caucus weren't climate change deniers and creationists.

Your response would have been taken seriously if you bothered to read where I said this applied to any politician.

But the point remains, shouldn't this role perhaps, just possibly, apply a teensy-weensy bit more to the president of the United States then to a fresh woman in Congress? Particularly when by any meaningful objective standards the former does so on a far far greater and more numerous basis?

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Being a freshman Congresswoman isn't an excuse for making such uninformed statements to the public. If she doesn't understand what she's talking about, as she's clearly displayed many times, she shouldn't talk about it like she does. That applies to any politician, including Trump. When she continues doing this, people are right to call her out on it. She doesn't deserve a free pass.

As much as the left wants to claim that the right has an obsession with AOC, they really should be questioning why she brings criticism upon herself so often instead of staying quiet on issues she doesn't understand and preparing for her new job.

Your criticism would have been more credible if the majority of the Republican caucus weren't climate change deniers and creationists.

Your response would have been taken seriously if you bothered to read where I said this applied to any politician.

But the point remains, shouldn't this role perhaps, just possibly, apply a teensy-weensy bit more to the president of the United States then to a fresh woman in Congress? Particularly when by any meaningful objective standards the former does so on a far far greater and more numerous basis?

I'm not sure what part of "That applies to any politician, including Trump" is so difficult for you to understand. When Trump says dumb things, he deserves to be called out on it. When AOC says dumb things, she deserves it too. If people are dumb to think that being new to politics gives her a free pass, then the same should apply to Trump. To think otherwise is just being a hypocrite.

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Except it isn't because Trump is in a much more powerful position. Trump being new to politics doesn't affect his power that much because there's only one president and he has vast powers designated by the constitution.

AOC, on the other hand, has her power noticeably reduced by her freshman status because seniority matters a lot in the House. So not identical situations at all.

All politicians should be held to that standard, regardless of position and how much power they hold.

And there we will fundamentally, passionately, disagree. I will readily call out and be much much more concerned about idiotic things that the president of the United States says then any member of Congress or, as I would apply from your line of argument, a state assemblyman, Village mayor, or Precinct committeeman.

Now how about in terms of quantity and size of misstatements at least?  By any relatively objective standard Trump says my nominally idiotic things, and it's not just that he says them, it's that he apparently believes them, more often than literally every Democratic member of Congress combined, and does so on a stupefying level of, well, stupidity that simply isn't comparable.

This situation is a perfect example. While AOC said some debatable, possibly foolish, numbers supporting medicare-for- all, Trump has, just within the last 48 hours for example, posted claims that somehow the Mueller investigation has absolved him of any collusion with Russia, and stated without an ounce of proof or factual basis that James Comey testimony before Congress was a giant pack of Lies.

The bottom line is Trump supporters literally have zero, I mean less than zero, moral Authority or credibility, to call any present member of Congress, at least Democrats since we don't have extremist habitual Liars like Louie gohmert and Steve King among others, when they ignore or at least shrug their shoulders over the fact that the president of the United States who may support literally lives in a fantasy world in his head which is primarily the result of arguable diagnosable mental illness.

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Our healthcare is in part more expensive because we get more care per visit, pay our doctors more, and fund most of the world's drug and medical innovation with higher prices for drugs and our patent laws. When talking about more care, think that someone in the UK might not get an MRI, we readily offer them to people. When thinking of our medical innovation, think about how almost all major medical research and drug innovation is concentrated In the US. Heard an Obama Econ advisor speak about this before. We get more care, and its more expensive, but its also more preventative. Our 5 year cancer survival rate is the highest in the world, we don't ration care, anyone can receive the care they want, emergency rooms can't deny people. You can hate on our healthcare all that you want, but theres no place in the world id rather get a heart surgery done or be a doctor.

Arguably true about the quality of our health care, but none of that has to do with, and in fact is short Changed by, the American Health insurance industry. It is the Achilles heel of our medical system. Thoroughly a bug and not a feature.

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But the point remains, shouldn't this role perhaps, just possibly, apply a teensy-weensy bit more to the president of the United States then to a fresh woman in Congress?

You mean there haven't been eleventy billion threads here on Trump's stupidity and incompetence? How long did the thread on his phone autocorrect misspelling coffee get again? Like, we get it Trump is garbage. But this thread happens to be about dumb comrade AOC. Its totally possible to call out someone other than Trump for being dumb without a disclaimer reminding the TDS afflicted that "buh Trump is still a more evil Nazi Hitler of course."

The problem is when the usual suspects,perpetually shrug off or defend Trump raving like a literal loon on an almost daily basis, but jump on relatively slight gaffes by any member of team blue.

If there was anything close to the same level of approbation of Trump by said usual suspects, the hypocrisy and partisanship would be less subject to comment.