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« on: September 16, 2009, 06:25:41 PM »


Hey, if you want, you can come here and have my health care system and I'll go over there and use your fancy NHS. Though, being a libertarian, I assume when you're sick you don't go to the NHS because you refuse to let socialism treat you?

I haven't been in hospital since I was born.

It's only been, what, 8 years? Give it time. This will change.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 06:28:05 PM »

<<The survey was designed and conducted by Drs. Salomeh Keyhani and Alex Federman of Mount Sinai School of Medicine. Over the summer of 2009, they surveyed a random sample of more than 2,000 physicians.>>

Read the fine print.

EPIC fail.

Any other Republicans want to try squirming an explanation out of this? C'mon in, the quicksand's fine!
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 01:19:20 PM »


That was a self-selecting MAIL poll with loaded questions and no explanation for methodology.

You obviously missed the point I was making.  The point is, there are so many polls out there saying so many different things, that they simply become meaningless.  We have polls show doctors both in favor and against reform.  We have polls show people both in favor and against public options.  With something on the scale and scope as this omnibus health care reform bill, no one really knows what to think, even the professionals.

But it's important to actually look at the methodology of individual polls to determine whether one might be valid and the other crap. It's the intellectually lazy approach to simply say "Poll A says this, but Poll B says the opposite; so the truth must lie somewhere in between or otherwise be too muddled to clearly discern". (This is, FWIW, the MSM approach to anything, which gives lunatics from all fringes, but particularly the birthers, any semblance of credability. Instead of actually reporting the bloody facts, they merely put up two opposing spokespersons, ask both an equal ratio of pointed and softball questions no matter how outlandish and devoid of reality the position of one person might be, and avoid all charges of <gasp> bias by declaring the matter "a controversy". But I digress greatly).

538 makes some ex cellant points. The best (but hardly the only) is that this same pollster had McCain leading 18-24 year old voters a week before the election 74-22! 538 goes on to point out several other obvious problems with the poll, but that number should give you a good taste.

My own observations: I very much want to know more about this sample purchased from a list broker.

Finally, the more I think about this: "45% of Doctors Would Consider Quitting if Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul".

"I declare shenanigans!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdjFKDrK1vY

Unless those results are outright falsified by the pollster, to get those numbers this poll picked heavily from the lunatic fringe and is anything but representative.

Now the Mt. Sinai Hospital poll that originally started this thread was admittedly commissioned by two doctors supporting health care reform, but I have yet to hear any specific critiques of their polling methods. Until I do, I'm FAR more willing to trust its results than this piece of dung IDB/TIPP is trying to pass off.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 05:39:52 PM »

If anything, I'm more of a classical liberal in the European sense (hence, I'm a blue dog) - one who believes in economic freedom while attaining social equality.

I'm increasingly forced to come to the conclusion that 99.9% of people on the internet who use the term "classic liberal" have no idea what it actually means.

Of course they do.

It's being economically progressive for the 19th century.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 05:42:09 PM »

This is hardly a shock.

Doctors "sell" medicine, and with additiional trillions in tax money funneled into the medical system, they have more customers and sell more product.

I bet a large majority of auto-body shop owners favor mandatory subsidized national colision auto insurance as well...

This is a surprise?

That sounds much more like Baucus's plan than Obama's.

Regardless, it focuses the point that health care reform means less about sacrificing choice and availability of medical care, but rather sacrificing monoplisitic HMO profits.
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