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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: August 18, 2018, 11:48:24 PM »

They have oil and are slightly more pragmatic than the leaders of other countries in the region like Erdogan or Iran's council?

"Pragmatic" in what sense?
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2018, 11:49:23 PM »

Also no one is going to erase off the map the one country in the Middle East that actually has nuclear weapons.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2018, 12:28:54 AM »
« Edited: August 19, 2018, 12:37:55 AM by PR »

Anyway, to answer the question of the OP: Whatever else you might say about them, Saudi Arabia has remained a pretty steadfast strategic ally of the US ever since dying FDR met with Ibn Saud in early 1945 (in which he promised the Saudi King that he wouldn't commit to supporting a Jewish state in Palestine).

Even after Truman broke this "promise" and the US pretty clearly became Israel's ally (and the USSR decided to support the Arab states that fought against Israel in 1948), even after the Six-Day War and Yom Kippur and the OPEC boycott (from which American oil companies and the House of Saud both mad profited), even after 9/11, the al-Saud have stuck with the US - and the US's Western allies. Consequently, they've refrained from attacking Israel.

And, though many Saudis still hate Jews and complain about the treatment of Palestinians, yadda yadda (while doing nothing for them, other than - at least historically - funding the Hamases and Islamic Jihads of the region), compared to an openly hostile Iranian Islamic Revolution (the three scariest words in the English language to the House of Saud) that has allied governments in Syria and (sort of?) Iraq now - and of course, Russia and China - and has, via the IRGC/Quds Force, Hezbollah, etc., created incredibly powerful and locally embedded proxies that the Iranian regime can still have a "command-and-control" relationship with (compare to the Saudis' schizophrenic and self-contradictory relationship with al-Qaeda and ISIS, lol)...well, why wouldn't the Saudis (and the Emiratis) look to the US's military and economic might for protection?

Plus, the whole political Islam thing ie. the Muslim Brotherhood, whom hilariously, were once supported by the Saudis (kind of like bin Laden and al-Qaeda were!) before they became powerful and popular enough to pose a *real* threat to the House of Saud's very existence...

Anyway, all of this is very useful stuff for the US/the UK, etc. (and Israel) if they're looking for a powerful friend in the regional and global geopolitical chessboard of the region, where the aforementioned countries have and share a lot of enemies (especially since we seem to keep making them Sad ). Naturally, the most militaristic and chauvinistic of the people in our countries will tend to double down on keeping our friendly Middle East neighborhood autocrats in power. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2018, 02:20:32 PM »

Maybe I’m biased but last time I checked the perpetrators and funders of the massacre of 3,000 Americans and others on American soil in broad daylight and partially on live TV weren’t Iranian.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2018, 02:26:47 PM »

Also the Iran nuclear deal was realpolitik too. And I’m 100% sure it would have been quite positive  long-term for American and global interests, but alas, certain very powerful regimes and foreign policy “hawks” suffer from acute Iran Derangement Syndrome, and so the product of very delicate and smart realpolitik was stupidly destroyed. Very sad.
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2018, 10:42:49 AM »

I’d like to note that no one in this thread has come up with an even half-decent defense against CrabCake’s allegations re:conservative parties and politicians in Western countries so strongly and consistently supporting Wahhabi Arabia.
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2018, 07:18:47 PM »

Donald Trump, the Canadian Conservative Party, Netanyahu, Theresa May etc. Obviously the conservative mindset is one that sees a likemind in the dystopian theocratic petrostates of the Gulf, and an inclination towards prostating oneself towards a corrupt and capricious royal family. This inclination is, of course, based on some form of masochism given the scale of the damage the Saudis have inflicted upon the outside world, or perhaps on a perverse vicarious sadism when the Saudis inflict cruel punishments on their regional rivals and guest workers. They key questions we must ask ourselves, it seems, is whether the conservatives' hostility to democracy in the Middle East (as indicated by their strong ties with some of the most regressive factions of the region) is evidence of cultural relativism or of their genuine dislike of democracy in general?

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Republicans are right to this day still trying to make it harder for people to vote. Their entire political strategy is premised on weakening democracy. Even if you agree with them on other areas of policy, I was hoping at least you would have the lucidity/intellectual honesty to recognize that.

It's quite the logical jump to go from voter ID laws to the House of Saud.

I agree.

I don't recall anyone in the Saudi-loving Bush family pushing voter ID laws (maybe Jeb! did as Governor of Florida, I don't know).
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