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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: September 28, 2013, 04:52:45 PM »

I often see it written or stated that there is a difference between "Old money" (ie the WASP/blue blood elite) and "New money" (the less WASPy, younger and newly wealthy elite).

Specifically, I have heard on more than one occasion that the "Old" elite had more of a social conscience and was less extravagant than the "new" elite.

I think that this is historical revisionism...the notion that rich Americans, as a group, were ever particularly generous or ever not allied with the conservative elements in politics. Furthermore, the idea that "new money" is distinct from "old money" doesn't seem to be supported by evidence either. All American elites are "new money" compared to, say, the European aristocracies! Tongue

What say you, oh Atlas Forum?
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All Along The Watchtower
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2013, 05:21:59 PM »

Compare the old industrialist families of the late 19th and early 20th centuries to the finance/high-tech "masters of the universe" of this century.

The Rockefellers, the Astors, etc funded public parks, museums, and libraries for the public benefit. Silicon Valley venture capitalists just charter helicopters for themselves when BART is shut down; screw the proles.

Andrew Carnegie, Cornelius Vanderbilt, William Marsh Rice and others started universities that would educate thousands of students and produce research that benefited the country and the world. Peter Thiel would rather pay people not to go to college.

There is a difference between the attitude that wealth is something requiring stewardship and intergenerational social obligations (both to one's family and to society as a whole) and the attitude that wealth is the spoils of a Darwinian death match and proof that you are a "winner" who is 100% responsible for your success and the "losers" in their tract houses with the underwater mortgages are completely to blame for their failure not to enter the ranks of the One Percent and deserve nothing from you.

The old industrial families you mention were called Robber Barons for a reason. Absolutely ruthless men who created monopolies in their industries that would make ExxonMobil or Comcast execs blush. They controlled both political parties to a great extent, and certainly hated the organized labor movement. But I guess their paternalism, which was-as much as anything else-motivated by a Conservative desire for social stability, influence, prestige, and personal legacies, makes up for their destructive business practices.

Also, it's worth mentioning that Social Darwinism and eugenics, among other wonderful theories, were very popular among "Old Money" polite society.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 12:58:32 AM »
« Edited: September 29, 2013, 01:00:21 AM by Progressive Realist »

Most zillionaires do come from at least solidly middle class backgrounds. I'm sure there's a counterexample somewhere, but people don't go from the ghetto to the Fortune 500.

This is an important point. Most Americans (at least, in the past...) have made somewhat more over the course of their lives than their parents did, but the correlation between a person's economic status and that of their parents is actually fairly strong.
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