This is a public school in the United States

[All Along The Watchtower]

Anyone who advocates for charter schools has never been to a charter school.

So you think that minority parents and students that care about education are just idiots then? Because they actually choose to enroll in the charter schools. They aren't forced to go there. And the parents and kids that start crying in happiness when their ball is picked, they must just be ignorant dummies, right?

I'll tell you what why don't you talk to the parents that will tell you that the difference between their kid going to college and being at risk of going to jail is the pick of their ball, and you can tell that parent to their face that they are just stupid and naive.

So either go to college or you are at risk of going to jail?

You know, not everybody can have some highly specialized job that requires a lot of math/science education, at the expense of (mostly) everything else. Surely you recognize this.

Yet the problem, of course, is when those jobs are very well-paying while a mechanic, or musician, or artist, or *anything* that doesn't require a highly specialized and expensive education is increasingly paid less and less.

Furthermore, this is in a society that increasingly measures one's personal worth by their net worth. So the people who make a sh*load of money are "winners", and everyone else is a "loser", and you only have yourself to blame if you're a "loser".

What kind of a society is that? And why anyone, even those who benefit the most from it (an increasingly elite and small group, proportionate to the population), would want that society is beyond me.

[All Along The Watchtower]

So either go to college or you are at risk of going to jail?

You know, not everybody can have some highly specialized job that requires a lot of math/science education, at the expense of (mostly) everything else. Surely you recognize this.

Yet the problem, of course, is when those jobs are very well-paying while a mechanic, or musician, or artist, or *anything* that doesn't require a highly specialized and expensive education is increasingly paid less and less.

Furthermore, this is in a society that increasingly measures one's personal worth by their net worth. So the people who make a sh*load of money are "winners", and everyone else is a "loser", and you only have yourself to blame if you're a "loser".

What kind of a society is that? And why anyone, even those who benefit the most from it (an increasingly elite and small group, proportionate to the population), would want that society is beyond me.

I was paraphrasing quotes from intercity parents. They aren't my words they are theirs.

Look there is another thread created here decrying the large disparity in wealth between the wealthiest and everybody else. I actually think that is a real issue. Yet when you try to remedy that by advocating for things that would improve the incomes of impoverished people in the intercity then "your focusing too much on the roll of income and wealth in society". So it appears our would be friends on the left don't really care about about improving the financial success of poor people if that actually means things like tougher schools and more work.

I don't consider the wealthy "winners" and the poor "losers", but I actually care about issues of poverty and the disgusting cycle of poverty in the intercity. But apparently when the chips are down many on the left including yourself don't really care.

The reason I don't like the things you advocate is because only a small number of people would actually ever break out of poverty under those things. And more and more people would be left behind. It's social Darwinism, plain and simple, applied to education and employment.

Attack the roots of poverty, which is the economic system that makes a few people rich at the expense of most everyone else.

[All Along The Watchtower]

The entire public education system in the U.S. is retarded.

So speaks one of the sharper tools in the great shed that is the Atlas Forum.

Zing!