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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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« on: June 19, 2009, 04:03:24 AM »

Inspirated from the USA corresponding topic.
Chose the candidate you would have voted for in First and Second round.

Here's my list :

1965 : Mitterrand/De Gaulle
1969 : Rocard/Poher
1974 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1981 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1988 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1995 : Jospin/Jospin
2002 : Jospin/Chirac
2007 : Bayrou/Royal

Notes :
- 1965 Mitterrand 1st round as a protest vote against De Gaulle's conservatism, but I would finally prefer De Gaulle.
- 1969 was an horrible year... could not vote for Defferre, and Rocard has always been a nice and intelligent politician
- 2002 Chirac very, very reluctantly, as a half of those who voted for him...
- 2007 Can't bear Royal, but Tout sauf Sarkozy !
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 09:57:59 AM »

So you are a rightist in a leftist family ? Cheesy
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 01:09:38 PM »
« Edited: June 19, 2009, 02:21:19 PM by Antonio V »

Why a similar hatred for Mitterrand ? He certainly was anything but honest, he didn't hesitate to betray a great part of his promises. But he's certainly not the worse politician of his time, and some of the reforms he led are great progresses.
As a result, you almost every time vote for the right, even for Chirac and Sarkozy... Can't really understand... Even Jospin is worse than the right for you ? Huh
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2009, 03:26:37 AM »

So you are a rightist in a leftist family ? Cheesy
Yep, but my parents became rightists after I myself dropped the left (Mendès and Rocard were my heroes).

With the definitive breaking of French education system under Jospin (after huge cracks under Edgar Faure, VGE and Savary), with the Yugoslav wars and revisionist and awful behaviours of Mitterrand (and Major), I began to vote for the right.
So, I was twenty.

I voted socialist only once, in a cantonale in 1988...
And Green in 1989 for the European elections.
After, I became a rightist, one year after I entered Sciences-Po.

Interesting political travel. Wink I probably agree with you on the school system, but the guilt for his failure is in my opinion equitably shared by left and right. Do you think Darcos reforms are going in the right sense ? About Yugoslavia, I don't understand what you mean by "revisionnist views", could you explain me ?
And, last but not the least : If you were a leftist, you probably kept some leftist views in some domains. So I find a bit strange to see you as a republican, considering that there is a lot of "UMP democrats" here. Someone who chooses the GOP in the USA can't be just a moderate rightist in France.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2009, 04:57:51 AM »

Thanks for these precisions. Wink Quite interesting views, even if I can't bear Boutin... I think as you about Yugoslavia, anyways.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2009, 08:14:11 AM »

Thanks for these precisions. Wink Quite interesting views, even if I can't bear Boutin... I think as you about Yugoslavia, anyways.

Boutin is a bad minister and a bad politician. It's just to give you an easy way to understand: Boutin is a value-fighter but a social and humane one (don't see her only through the PACS debate), whereas Villiers is a mad, narcissic and out-of-date guy.

Yes, I understood. Wink I personally think there's not need to be a social reactionnary to be a social and humane person. So I have to judge her for her social views, and that's why I can't bear what she says.
Anyways, I love the "social and human" politicians of UMP who are destroying public services, hunting immigrates, and now want people to work when they are sick. Cheesy Ah, wasn't boutin who recently "softened" the "20% de logements sociaux" law ?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2010, 04:32:13 PM »

Well, admit that chosing between Sarkozy, Royal and Bayrou isn't easy. Wink
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2011, 02:09:06 PM »

Also, re-posting my legislative votes :

BTW, what about legislative elections ? For me, it'd be something like :

1945 : SFIO
1946 (june) : SFIO
1946 (nov) : SFIO

1951 : Some protest vote
1956 : Radicals (in the Republican Front)
1958 : UFD
1962 : PSU
1967 : PSU
1968 : PSU

1973 : PS
1978 : PS
1981 : PS
1986 : PS
1988 : PS
1993 : PS
1997 : PS
2002 : PS
2007 : PS


I know, the end is boring... Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2012, 10:16:36 AM »

A couple changes compared to my past self:

1965 : Barbu/De Gaulle1
1969 : Rocard/Poher
1974 : Sebag2/Mitterrand
1981 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1988 : Mitterrand/Mitterrand
1995 : Jospin/Jospin
2002 : Jospin/Chirac
2007 : Voynet3/Royal
2012 : Hollande/Hollande

1 1965 is a tricky one for me. The "institutional" left clearly wasn't prepared to be in power in a 5th republic-like setting, and Mitterrand was not the kind of person I would cast a personal vote for. On the other hand, I can't see myself voting De Gaulle or Lecanuet by the first round. So, by default, I pick a joke candidate who actually had interesting ideas and came across as a good person. On second round, De Gaulle was the right choice.
2 European federalism rocks !
3 I was 14 when the vote was held, and at the time I was supporting Bayrou as the less horrible of the serious alternatives. As I grew up I eventually realized what an idiot Bayrou is so, at this point, I'd outright boycott the frontrunners and go for the stale but decent greeny.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2012, 09:11:53 AM »

Your opinions have improved a lot, it seems. Wink
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2012, 07:31:39 PM »


It's not like he had more chances to win than Defferre or Rocard...
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,320
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2022, 10:00:42 AM »

Guess it's probably time I do a new one. I haven't changed that much politically since 2012, but still a couple changes.

1965: Barbu / De Gaulle
1969: Rocard / Poher
1974: Sebag / Mitterrand
1981: Mitterrand / Mitterrand
1988: Juquin / Mitterrand
1995: Jospin / Jospin
2002: Jospin / Chirac
2007: Voynet / Royal
2012: Joly / Hollande
2017: Hamon / Macron
2022: Jadot / Macron
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