List of Alternate Presidents

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Franklin D. Roosevelt ( 1932-1945 )
*Roosevelt don't runs in 1944 election and Wallace wins the primary.
Henry Wallace ( 1945-1953 )
Adlai Stevenson ( 1953-1961 )
John F. Kennedy ( 1961-1963 )
Lyndon B. Johnson ( 1963-1973 )
*Johnson promits peace in Vietnam and keeps his promise.
Nelson Rockefeller ( 1973-1981 )
Walter Mondale ( 1981-1989 )
Michael Dukakis ( 1989-1997 )
John McCain ( 1997-2001 )
Al Gore ( 2001-2009 )
Barack H. Obama ( 2009-2017 )

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I didn't say it was a realistic alternate list, but it think that could be interesting to imagine a 40 years democratic domination. However, I managed to inser two republicans I find more nice.

Obviously Stevenson could not win in 1952 and 1956, Johnson could very hardly win in 1968, and that would have been very difficult for Mondale and Dukakis too.

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19.  Samuel Tilden (Democratic - New York): 1877-1881
20.  Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican - Ohio): 1881-1885
21.  James Blaine (Republican - Maine): 1885-1893
22.  David B. Hill (Democratic - New York): 1893-1897
23.  Nelson W. Aldrich (Republican - Rhode Island): 1897-1905
24.  Boies Penrose (Republican - Pennsylvania): 1905-1909
25.  J. C. W. Beckham (Democratic - Kentucky): 1909-1917
26.  Theodore Roosevelt (Republican - New York): 1917-1919
27.  Frank M. Byrne (Republican  - South Dakota): 1919-1928
28.  Hebert Hoover (Republican - California): 1928-1937
29.  Alben Barkley (Democratic - Kentucky): 1937-1941
30.  Franklin D. Roosevelt (Republican - New York): 1941-1949
31.  John O. Pastore (Democratic - Rhode Island): 1949-1953
32.  Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican - Kansas): 1953-1961
33.  Orville Freeman (Republican - Minnesota): 1961-1965
34.  Terry Sanford (Democratic - North Carolina): 1965-1970
35.  John F. Kennedy (Democratic - Massachusetts): 1970-1977
36.  Nelson Rockefeller (Republican - New York): 1977-1978
37.  Bob Dole (Republican - Kansas): 1978-1985
38.  Dale Bumpers (Democratic - Arkansas): 1985-1989
39.  Bob Packwood (Republican - Oregon): 1989-1994
40.  Jack Kemp (Republican - New York): 1994-1997
41.  Al Gore (Democratic - Tennessee): 1997-2005
42.  Mario Cuomo (Republican - New York): 2005-??

Why would Franklin Roosevelt become a Republican ??

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Teddy Roosevelt wins in 1912:

28th: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive - New York) 1913-1921
29th: Claude Swanson (Democratic - Virginia) 1921-1929
30th: William Borah (Progressive - Idaho) 1929-1933
31st: Millard Tydings (Democratic - Maryland) 1933-1935
32nd: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic - New York) 1935-1949
33rd: Claude Pepper (Democratic - Florida) 1949-1953
34th: Earl Warren (Progressive - California) 1953-1961
35th: James Roosevelt (Democratic - California) 1961-1969
36th: Henry 'Scoop' Jackson (Democratic - Washington) 1969-1977
37th: Ronald Reagan (Democratic - California) 1977-1981
38th: Mike O'Callaghan (Progressive - Nevada) 1981-1989
39th: John Warner (Democratic - Virginia) 1989-1997
40th: Colin Powell (Progressive - New York) 1997-2005
41st: Paul Wellstone (Progressive - Minnesota) 2005-2009
42nd Albert Gore Jr. (Democratic - Tennessee) 2009 -??

Great list, with the triumphant Roosevelt destroying the Republican Party ( a dream... ).

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Watergate Breaks Early
37. Richard M. Nixon(R-CA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973*
38.  George S. McGovern (D-SD): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1977*
39. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA): January 20th 1977-March 30th 1981*
40. Edward Brooke(R-MA): March 20th 1981-January 20th 1985*
41. Gary Hart (D-CA): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993*
42. Dan Quayle (R-ID): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997*
43. Geraldine Ferraro (D-NY): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005*
44. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2005-???

Quayle ?

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38th:George McGovern 1973-1977
39th:Ronald Reagan 1977-1981
40th:George McGovern 1981-1985

LOL Original, George's back !

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Here's one possibility resulting from JFK living - it's a bit of a "second order" counterfactual, whereby a familiar pattern reasserts itself. (Using the regular "red=R," "blue=D" scheme)

35. John F. Kennedy (D, 1961-1969)
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D, 1969-1973)
37. Nelson A. Rockefeller (R, 1973-1977)
38. Edward M. Kennedy (D, 1977-1981)
39. Ronald Reagan (R, 1981-1989)
40. Richard Lugar (R, 1989-1993)
41. William J. "Bill" Clinton (D, 1993-2001)
42. John S. McCain, III (R, 2001-2009)
43. Barack Obama (D, 2009-present)

My one ( I did a mini-timeline ) was that :

Kennedy : 1961-1969
Johnson : 1969-1973
Rockefeller : 1973-1977
Reagan : 1977-1985
G. H. W. Bush : 1985-1989
Gore : 1989-1997
J. Bush : 1997-2001
Dean : 2001-2009
McCain : 2009-

32th:Franklin Roosevelt 1933–1945
33th:Henry A. Wallace 1945-1949
34th:Douglas MacArthur 1949-1957
35th:Richard Nixon 1957-1994
36th:Dick Cheney 1994-1997
37th:John McCain 1997-2001
38th:Chuck Hagel 2001-2005
39th:Jeb Bush 2005-2009
40th:Skip Humphrey 2009-

Wow, Nixon president for limetime ?

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45. Hillary Rodham-Goldwater (R-FL): January 20th 2009-???

LOL That is great !

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1965-1969 : Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) / Gerald Ford (R-MI)
1969-1973 : George McGovern (D-SD) / RFK (D-NY)
1973-1975 : Gerald Ford (R-MI) / Ronald Reagan (R-CA) *Ford is shot and dies
1975-1985 : Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Richard Nixon (R-CA)
1985-1993 : George H.W. Bush (R-TX) / Howard Baker (R-TN)
1993-2001 : Bob Graham (D-FL) / Zell Miller (D-GA)

Wow. First I was surprised that a crazy conservative like you chose a Rockefeller presidency as the start of a timeline. But looking at the 20 years of continuous republican presidency that you imagine, I understand better.

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The Death of Conservatism

POD FDR dies in 1943.

Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) (1933-1943)
Henry Wallace (D-IA) (1943-1945)
Thomas Dewey (R-NY) (1945-1953)
John Bricker (R-OH) (1953-1957)
Adlai Stevenson (D-IL) (1957-1965)
Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) (1965-1973)
John Kennedy (D-MA) (1973-1981)
Robert Dole (R-KS) (1981-1989)
Jack Kemp (R-NY) (1989-1993)
Mario Cuomo (D-NY) (1993-2001)
Pete Wilson (R-CA) (2001-2009)
John Edwards (D-NC) (2009-

My dream...

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The Three Party system 1913-2009, this is kind of like 1913-2009 in my massive list, but a little different.

Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) (1913-1919)*
Hiram Johnson (CA)/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (WI) (Progressive) (1919-1925)
Calvin Coolidge (MA)/Frank Lowden (IA) (Republican) (1925-1929)
Herbert Hoover (IA)/Charles Curtis (KS) (Republican) (1929-1933)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. La Follette Jr. (WI) (Progressive) (1933-1937)*
Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Henry Wallace (IA) (Progressive) (1937-1945)
Thomas Dewey (NY)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Republican) (1945-1953)
Robert S. Kerr (OK)/Estes Keyfauver(TN) (Democratic) (1953-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller (NY)/Richard Nixon (CA) (Republican) (1961-1965)*
John F. Kennedy (MA)/Daniel Brewster (MD) (Democratic) (1965-1967)*
Daniel Brewster (MD)/Hubert Humphrey (MN) (Democratic) (1967-1969)*
Eugene McCarthy (MN)/George McGovern (SD) (Progressive) (1969-1977)
Frank Church (ID)/Fred Harris (OK) (Progressive) (1977-1981)
Robert F. Kennedy (MA)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) (Democratic) (1981-1983)*
Lloyd Bentsen (TX)/Howard Baker (TN) (Democratic) (1983-1989)
Howard Baker (TN)/Gary Hart (CO) (Democratic) (1989-1993)*
Paul Tsongas (MA)/Al Gore (TN) (Republican) (1993-1997)*
Al Gore (TN)/Bill Clinton (CA) (Republican) (1997-2005)*
Howard Dean (VT)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Progressive) (2005-2009)
Hillary Rodham Rubin (NY)/Bill Richardson (NM) (Democratic) (2009-present)*

Great list !

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The Three Party system 1913-2009, this is kind of like 1913-2009 in my massive list, but a little different.

Theodore Roosevelt (NY)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) (1913-1919)*
Hiram Johnson (CA)/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (WI) (Progressive) (1919-1925)
Calvin Coolidge (MA)/Frank Lowden (IA) (Republican) (1925-1929)
Herbert Hoover (IA)/Charles Curtis (KS) (Republican) (1929-1933)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (NY)/Robert M. La Follette Jr. (WI) (Progressive) (1933-1937)*
Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Henry Wallace (IA) (Progressive) (1937-1945)
Thomas Dewey (NY)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Republican) (1945-1953)
Robert S. Kerr (OK)/Estes Keyfauver(TN) (Democratic) (1953-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller (NY)/Richard Nixon (CA) (Republican) (1961-1965)*
John F. Kennedy (MA)/Daniel Brewster (MD) (Democratic) (1965-1967)*
Daniel Brewster (MD)/Hubert Humphrey (MN) (Democratic) (1967-1969)*
Eugene McCarthy (MN)/George McGovern (SD) (Progressive) (1969-1977)
Frank Church (ID)/Fred Harris (OK) (Progressive) (1977-1981)
Robert F. Kennedy (MA)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) (Democratic) (1981-1983)*
Lloyd Bentsen (TX)/Howard Baker (TN) (Democratic) (1983-1989)
Howard Baker (TN)/Gary Hart (CO) (Democratic) (1989-1993)*
Paul Tsongas (MA)/Al Gore (TN) (Republican) (1993-1997)*
Al Gore (TN)/Bill Clinton (CA) (Republican) (1997-2005)*
Howard Dean (VT)/Russ Feingold (WI) (Progressive) (2005-2009)
Hillary Rodham Rubin (NY)/Bill Richardson (NM) (Democratic) (2009-present)*

Great list !

Thanks. I seem to be pretty good at making these . I've always been intrigued by the possibility of a strong Progressive Party. I think American politics would've been alot more interesting if it actually had a legit leftist party, although I don't describe myself as one. I think a party that is legitly left would've challenged the other two more so than individual progressives in each party did.

Agreed.

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*World ends on Jan 14th 1981

Yes, how could the world live without the Republican Party ?

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A lot of people seem to die in your timelines Historico.

LOL, I know right...It reall just depends if I want to keep the 20 year curse going or not, or if they died of natural causes in OTL. Btw, here is my newest Presidential list based on the POD that Progressive Judge Learned Hand of New York was nominated by the Republican Party at the deadlocked convention of 1930.

The Visible Hand:

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ):  March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. B. Learned Hand (R-NY): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
30. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933
31. Huey P. Long (D-LA): March 4th 1933-September 10th 1935*
32. Robert F. Wagner (D-NY): September 10th 1935-January 20th 1945
33. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) January 20th 1945-April 18th 1951*
34. Phillip F. Lafollette (R-WI): April 18th 1951-January 20th 1953
35. Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. Christian A. Herter (R-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. Thruston B. Morton (R-KY): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969
38. Russell B. Long (D-LA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Edward W. Brooke III (R-MA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981*
40. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Fred Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
42. John M. “Mike” Hayden (R-KA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Henry G. Cisneros (D-TX): January 20th 2001-January 19th 2007**
44. William W. “Bill” Bradley (D-NJ): January 19th 2007-January 20th 2009
45. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

31. Assassinated by Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
33. Died in office due to complications of Cancer
39. First African American President.
43. First Hispanic American President, and first to resign due to obstruction of justice.

Formidable list. I love alternate realities where conservatives don't pollute american politics...

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42. Richard B. “Dick” Cheney (R-WY): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

Suicide

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Three very good lists.

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Yeah, agreed.

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The GOP disappears after 1936 :

Franklin D. Roosevelt : 1933-1945
Henry Wallace : 1945-1953
Dwight Eisenhower : 1953-1961
Lyndon Johnson : 1961-1969
Nelson Rockefeller : 1969-1977
Walter Mondale : 1977-1981
Ronald Reagan : 1981-1993
Newt Gingrich : 1993-1997
Al Gore : 1997-2005
John McCain : 2005-2009
Dennis Kucinich : 2009-

After 1936, the Republican Party starts to collapse, and Roosevelt is reelected without any real opposition. An "era of good feelings" begins, with democratic party becoming an ultra-dominant party. However, in the end of 1960's, appears a Conservative party, led by Richar Nixon, and clearly rightist on all issues. After the economic crisis, conservative Ronald Reagan defeats incumbent democratic president Walter Mondale, and since there was no term limit, he remains in office until 1993. However, his successor Newt Gingrich's far-rightist policies permit the rise of the Moderate party, gathering moderates on both sides. After the 2008 economic crisis, moderate president McCain becames unpopular and his defeated by Dennis Kucinich, candidate of the newborn Social-democratic party.

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38. Gerald J .Ford (R-MI)

Who is this one ?

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The League's Success

1913-1921 Woodrow Wilson
1921-1929 John J. Pershing
1929-1933 Herbert Hoover
1933-1941 Robert La Follete, Jr.
1941-1944 Wendell Willkie
1944-1953 Richard Russell
1953-1961 Lyndon Johnson
1961-1964 Adlai Stevenson
1964-1973 Hubert Humphrey
1973-1977 Spiro Agnew
1977-1985 Edward Kennedy
1985-1993 John Glenn
1993-1997 Gary Hart
1997-2005 Colin Powell
2005-2009 John Kerry
2009-2017 Kay Bailey Hutchison

Good list.

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The League's Success

1913-1921 Woodrow Wilson
1921-1929 John J. Pershing
1929-1933 Herbert Hoover
1933-1941 Robert La Follete, Jr.
1941-1944 Wendell Willkie
1944-1953 Richard Russell
1953-1961 Lyndon Johnson
1961-1964 Adlai Stevenson
1964-1973 Hubert Humphrey
1973-1977 Spiro Agnew
1977-1985 Edward Kennedy
1985-1993 John Glenn
1993-1997 Gary Hart
1997-2005 Colin Powell
2005-2009 John Kerry
2009-2017 Kay Bailey Hutchison

Good list.

Thanks. In this list America becomes a lot more like Europe, and we have a French-like economy with Sweden's social values.

Ah, well, not surprising that I love it !

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Bump.

HHH's Surprise

1969-1973 Hubert Humphrey
1973-1981 Nelson Rockefeller
1981-1985 John Connally
1985-1993 Lloyd Bentsen
1993-2001 Al Gore
2001-2005 George Allen
2005-         Wesley Clark

Why Clark ? I have difficulties to see the democratic party  become a southern party ( Bentsen, Gore, Clark ) because of Humphrey's win. It would be a bit paradoxal...

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Bump.

HHH's Surprise

1969-1973 Hubert Humphrey
1973-1981 Nelson Rockefeller
1981-1985 John Connally
1985-1993 Lloyd Bentsen
1993-2001 Al Gore
2001-2005 George Allen
2005-         Wesley Clark

Why Clark ? I have difficulties to see the democratic party  become a southern party ( Bentsen, Gore, Clark ) because of Humphrey's win. It would be a bit paradoxal...

Actually, they don't become a southern party per se, the democrats just have trouble nominating people from the other part of the country. Both parties are supposed to become more centrist.

Yeah, I understood that. I just find strange to see how Humphrey's win could cause the rise of southern moderate democrats, whereas he was a northern liberal.