DC Unrest Megathread

[Antonio the Sixth]

Any sense of when they'll resume counting?

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Bernie Sanders is right. No need to impeach Trump. Let him leave office on schedule. He's already going to be a disgrace.

He is a clear and present danger to the integrity of our institutions. Any day with him in office is an unacceptable risk.

I love Bernie but he's wrong on this one.

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So... the House is going to take until f**king midnight?? Why the f**k does it take so long

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So... the House is going to take until f**king midnight?? Why the f**k does it take so long

Probably. Or later. The capitol being shut down most of the day very obviously delays things.

The Senate got it done. It would have been nice if the House had done it within the same time frame.

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Has the joint session begun considering certificates again?

They're zooming through the uncontested ones now. Just did Delaware.

Thank. I just saw the NYT live feed is back on.

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So why did the Senate yield its time and vote right away but the House is taking its sweet ass time with this?? Could Pelosi have cut the debating short, or was she forced to have the 2 hours?

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So why did the Senate yield its time and vote right away but the House is taking its sweet ass time with this?? Could Pelosi have cut the debating short, or was she forced to have the 2 hours?

As long as there are people that want to talk they get two hours. Hawley gave back his time to speak in the Senate.

Ah, I see. So Hawley was really just objecting for the optics, but won't even bother defending his objection. What a worm.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Tonight is ALL our victory! Whether you are a mainstream liberal, a libertarian, a socialist, a Never Trump conservative, a WHATEVER, it doesn't matter AT ALL tonight!

Tomorrow, we may resume our in-fighting, but we all passed the ultimate test: Do you stand resolute against authoritarian evil when it looks you in the eye? We all DID! And we all deserve some time to celebrate that and appreciate that whatever our future disagreements with each other may be, we were capable of uniting at a time when it all seemed threatened with horrible darkness that would destroy everything we ALL believe in.

Our common beliefs in truth, justice, and reason have officially WON OUT.

Do we still have a long way to go? Yes. Is it going to be easy or anything but a bumpy road? Of course not. Am I nonetheless ecstatic? YES. We have all been through the sh**tter, I think, the last four years. And anyone who has not yet done it needs to take time to just reward themselves for making it through to the other side. Hell, if you've done it already, do it again! We've earned it! We can get back to fighting each other later. But this is OUR moment!

Yeah, I can't stand your brand of politics, but God I am glad that the enemy for the next four years is going to be someone in that vein rather than an actual fascist. Any time the foul beast rears its ugly head, liberals and socialists must face it together.

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https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1347396715670810626?s=20

There needs to be purges in the Capitol police NOW.

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#LockThemUp. All of them.

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Remember, the White House inherited the @potus account. Trump used his personal account by choice.

Wouldn't he be caught as ban-evading if he used it?

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You know, I wonder if all the Cubans and others in Florida who voted for Trump because they thought BIDEN would somehow be the one to turn the US into a banana republic are regretting it now.

Many of them are descended from the kinds of people who were orchestrating right-wing coups in their own country, so...

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You know, I wonder if all the Cubans and others in Florida who voted for Trump because they thought BIDEN would somehow be the one to turn the US into a banana republic are regretting it now.

Many of them are descended from the kinds of people who were orchestrating right-wing coups in their own country, so...

I expected better from you Antonio...

I know it's a huge generalization, of course, but it does need to be said. The "poor, scared victims of communism who don't know any better" discourse can only take you so far. Some of these people are all too familiar with far-right paramilitary tactics and all too happy to condone them when it seems expedient.

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https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1349521778629107713?s=20

YAS QUEEN

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Lol, why the hell would we go easy on a felony criminal because they are threatening to murder their children? I find it impossible to believe that someone would seriously make the argument that a person wanting to murder their own children is evidence that the law shouldn't pursue that person.

Yes, it would definitely be weird if someone was arguing that.

No one here has any idea what you are trying to argue, shua, and I suspect that includes yourself.

And no, that's not because anyone here lacks your self-perceived Galaxy brain level of analysis, but because you have crossed the border from your usual status of inscrutable to being outright incomprehensible.

I don't know what the point of comments like this are.  If you have a specific question about something I said, feel free to present it!

I have a question, albeit a broad one.

Don't you think it's a little weird that, in the wake of a mob storming the seat of American democracy, interrupting the discharging of the duties of Congress, and very nearly resulting in serious bodily harm for elected officials, the entirety of your comments seem to be about defending the people who perpetrated this attack or who appear to have (to be generous) inspired it? Like, even if all your claims were 100% correct, don't you think it's a little curious that this seems to be your sole focus? What do you think it might say about you that your priority seems to be playing defense for people aligned with the side that did this (again, whether or not the specific points you bring up in their defense are accurate or not) rather than condemning it?

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Lol, why the hell would we go easy on a felony criminal because they are threatening to murder their children? I find it impossible to believe that someone would seriously make the argument that a person wanting to murder their own children is evidence that the law shouldn't pursue that person.

Yes, it would definitely be weird if someone was arguing that.

No one here has any idea what you are trying to argue, shua, and I suspect that includes yourself.

And no, that's not because anyone here lacks your self-perceived Galaxy brain level of analysis, but because you have crossed the border from your usual status of inscrutable to being outright incomprehensible.

I don't know what the point of comments like this are.  If you have a specific question about something I said, feel free to present it!

I have a question, albeit a broad one.

Don't you think it's a little weird that, in the wake of a mob storming the seat of American democracy, interrupting the discharging of the duties of Congress, and very nearly resulting in serious bodily harm for elected officials, the entirety of your comments seem to be about defending the people who perpetrated this attack or who appear to have (to be generous) inspired it? Like, even if all your claims were 100% correct, don't you think it's a little curious that this seems to be your sole focus? What do you think it might say about you that your priority seems to be playing defense for people aligned with the side that did this (again, whether or not the specific points you bring up in their defense are accurate or not) rather than condemning it?

I don't see any danger here that their actions aren't being condemned enough.  I do see a great deal of danger in promoting the dehumanization of all those in attendance (and extended by association to large swaths of the American population).

Hiding behind other people's condemnations is a dodge. The point is not whether the Sum Total of Condemnation is sufficiently high or not. Who f**king cares? It's not like any of us condemning it has any impact of what happens. The point is whether YOU, Shua, are interested at all in condemning it. Not out of some grand utilitarian calculus, but just because condemning it is the right thing to do, because it would show that you actually care about broader values beyond the standard partisan back and forth.

It's just difficult to believe that you even care about what happened to the Capitol, when none of your posts contain even the slightest hint of a negative emotional reaction to them. I don't know if in your heart of hearts you believe they were right or wrong to do it, and I don't even think that's the point. I think you've just decided that, right or wrong, they're part of "your" team and you have to stand by them, and this is more important to you than standing by democracy itself. I keep hoping to be proven wrong.

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Lol, why the hell would we go easy on a felony criminal because they are threatening to murder their children? I find it impossible to believe that someone would seriously make the argument that a person wanting to murder their own children is evidence that the law shouldn't pursue that person.

Yes, it would definitely be weird if someone was arguing that.

No one here has any idea what you are trying to argue, shua, and I suspect that includes yourself.

And no, that's not because anyone here lacks your self-perceived Galaxy brain level of analysis, but because you have crossed the border from your usual status of inscrutable to being outright incomprehensible.

I don't know what the point of comments like this are.  If you have a specific question about something I said, feel free to present it!

I have a question, albeit a broad one.

Don't you think it's a little weird that, in the wake of a mob storming the seat of American democracy, interrupting the discharging of the duties of Congress, and very nearly resulting in serious bodily harm for elected officials, the entirety of your comments seem to be about defending the people who perpetrated this attack or who appear to have (to be generous) inspired it? Like, even if all your claims were 100% correct, don't you think it's a little curious that this seems to be your sole focus? What do you think it might say about you that your priority seems to be playing defense for people aligned with the side that did this (again, whether or not the specific points you bring up in their defense are accurate or not) rather than condemning it?

I don't see any danger here that their actions aren't being condemned enough.  I do see a great deal of danger in promoting the dehumanization of all those in attendance (and extended by association to large swaths of the American population).

Hiding behind other people's condemnations is a dodge. The point is not whether the Sum Total of Condemnation is sufficiently high or not. Who f**king cares? It's not like any of us condemning it has any impact of what happens. The point is whether YOU, Shua, are interested at all in condemning it. Not out of some grand utilitarian calculus, but just because condemning it is the right thing to do, because it would show that you actually care about broader values beyond the standard partisan back and forth.

It's just difficult to believe that you even care about what happened to the Capitol, when none of your posts contain even the slightest hint of a negative emotional reaction to them. I don't know if in your heart of hearts you believe they were right or wrong to do it, and I don't even think that's the point. I think you've just decided that, right or wrong, they're part of "your" team and you have to stand by them, and this is more important to you than standing by democracy itself. I keep hoping to be proven wrong.

I've never understood uttering the words "I condemn this" as an intrinsic and necessary good in itself, and I'm not going to be bullied or shamed into the ritual.

And that's fine. If you did it solely out of peer pressure it would mean less than nothing.

It's just very telling that you didn't feel the need to express any kind of negative sentiment about this of your own initiative. It'd be great if you seriously reflected on this, but I get that owning the libs is much more fun.

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Lol, why the hell would we go easy on a felony criminal because they are threatening to murder their children? I find it impossible to believe that someone would seriously make the argument that a person wanting to murder their own children is evidence that the law shouldn't pursue that person.

Yes, it would definitely be weird if someone was arguing that.

No one here has any idea what you are trying to argue, shua, and I suspect that includes yourself.

And no, that's not because anyone here lacks your self-perceived Galaxy brain level of analysis, but because you have crossed the border from your usual status of inscrutable to being outright incomprehensible.

I don't know what the point of comments like this are.  If you have a specific question about something I said, feel free to present it!

I have a question, albeit a broad one.

Don't you think it's a little weird that, in the wake of a mob storming the seat of American democracy, interrupting the discharging of the duties of Congress, and very nearly resulting in serious bodily harm for elected officials, the entirety of your comments seem to be about defending the people who perpetrated this attack or who appear to have (to be generous) inspired it? Like, even if all your claims were 100% correct, don't you think it's a little curious that this seems to be your sole focus? What do you think it might say about you that your priority seems to be playing defense for people aligned with the side that did this (again, whether or not the specific points you bring up in their defense are accurate or not) rather than condemning it?

I don't see any danger here that their actions aren't being condemned enough.  I do see a great deal of danger in promoting the dehumanization of all those in attendance (and extended by association to large swaths of the American population).

Hiding behind other people's condemnations is a dodge. The point is not whether the Sum Total of Condemnation is sufficiently high or not. Who f**king cares? It's not like any of us condemning it has any impact of what happens. The point is whether YOU, Shua, are interested at all in condemning it. Not out of some grand utilitarian calculus, but just because condemning it is the right thing to do, because it would show that you actually care about broader values beyond the standard partisan back and forth.

It's just difficult to believe that you even care about what happened to the Capitol, when none of your posts contain even the slightest hint of a negative emotional reaction to them. I don't know if in your heart of hearts you believe they were right or wrong to do it, and I don't even think that's the point. I think you've just decided that, right or wrong, they're part of "your" team and you have to stand by them, and this is more important to you than standing by democracy itself. I keep hoping to be proven wrong.

I've never understood uttering the words "I condemn this" as an intrinsic and necessary good in itself, and I'm not going to be bullied or shamed into the ritual.

And that's fine. If you did it solely out of peer pressure it would mean less than nothing.

It's just very telling that you didn't feel the need to express any kind of negative sentiment about this of your own initiative. It'd be great if you seriously reflected on this, but I get that owning the libs is much more fun.

How about you send me a poll with a "how much do you disapprove of this on a scale of 1-10" every time there's an event you'd like me to express my sentiments on.  Would that satisfy you?

Okay, cool. Keep being disingenuous. You must think you're very clever, but everyone sees right through you.

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Could you guys maybe get back on track?
I don't want to start banning people from this thread, But I will.

The hell?? This is directly relevant to the topic of the thread.

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I mean, there's nothing left for me to say on this topic, as you've done a great job exposing your own duplicity all by yourself, but it stands to reason that discussing other posters' reactions to a news event is relevant to discussion of that news event. Otherwise that basically means these threads are only for news with no debate allowed.

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I mean, there's nothing left for me to say on this topic, as you've done a great job exposing your own duplicity all by yourself, but it stands to reason that discussing other posters' reactions to a news event is relevant to discussion of that news event. Otherwise that basically means these threads are only for news with no debate allowed.

Accusing me of "duplicity" when you pretended to ask me a "question" when you in fact had no intention of considering what I had to say with any good will and only used my reply as an opportunity to attack me in the same exact way you have done on dozens of occasions... Great.    Well I guess the fault is mine for once again thinking you were serious this time.   Onto the ignore list you go.  Congrats.

My question was absolutely sincere. Your answer just sadly confirmed all my priors. I was genuinely hoping for something a bit more reflective, but I know that was my mistake.

Don't worry, I won't bother you anymore.