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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: May 14, 2017, 03:34:38 PM »

Because men are socialized from a creepily young age to consider sex as something they are owed (along with so many other birthrights that society seems to think unfold from having a dick), while women are socialized from a creepily young age to not think much about sex (at best) or view it as something they owe to men (at worst).

That's just how patriarchy works.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 06:53:42 PM »

while women are socialized from a creepily young age to not think much about sex (at best) or view it as something they owe to men (at worst).


But even women who grew in open minded places, where the values are modern, and were not socialized to not think much about sex or view it as something they owe to men, don't want to pay for the services of male sex workers.

The idea that nice modern educated open-minded Smiley Smiley Smiley social circles are devoid of sexist norms is ludicrous. If anything, this forum is the ultimate proof that you can be very "modern" and still hold on to sexist notions.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 02:57:33 PM »

I don't really know enough to commit to this point myself, but Antonio's not the only one making it--although I think he should probably limit himself to talking about how men are socialized without pontificating about female socialization he can't possibly have experienced.

Yeah, I should. I have read arguments written by women in favor of this point (which I found compelling), and I really wish people on the forum were more aware of these arguments, but I realize I can only go so far in developing them without sounding like an ass. I don't claim to speak for anyone, and especially not for women. I'm sorry if that's how I came across.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2017, 08:49:01 PM »

I don't necessarily disagree that many young men I know have "certain attitudes" toward women and sex. That said, what actually leads men to thinking this way? And why do women allegedly not? And how does this necessarily pertain to prostitution?

A combination of the subtle (and usually not even deliberate) comments that boys hear from adults around them from a young age, the much more explicit things that their start hearing in their (usually all-male) circles of friends around puberty, and the subtle but very deliberate cues that they get from the media (especially TV ads). All go into the direction of presenting sex with women as a commodity that men can get if they fulfill the right criteria (in terms of attractiveness, assertiveness, wealth, or you name it). If men don't have sex, they're either not "real" men or have failed by these arbitrary standards. At best, they're deserving of pity and support, to the point of (as the post I was responding to in the original thread suggested) designing public policy around their "needs". And of course, women aren't supposed to have any agency in the process.
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